: Blower vs Twin Turbo?
c5cowboy 06-22-2007, 07:44 AM I'm looking to add some nice power and am not sure which set up is better for majority street use and not on a track. Which will have a longer life span and do less damage to engine. If a blower is the way to go, I noticed there are 2 types of superchargers the one that sites on top of the engine and the other one that looks like "AC" unit. Which of these 2 are better? Thanks for all your help!
02RonZ06 06-22-2007, 10:48 AM I personally like the maggie on top rather then the supercharger front mount, for looks. but they both run off a belt and that is one of it's weak points. I think the twin turbos would be better, although they both have good points too. You'll probably just need to research both lots and make a personal choice. But keep us informed and I am sure more will chime in and add their two cents as well. Also the Maggie type you will need a new hood as well.
Boost level is one main point as to what will determine how well you stock engine stays running and how long it will live.
tstar 06-23-2007, 12:42 AM Ron's pretty much dead on and hopefully Tom will step in as well as I respect his opinon...
The Maggies and Kenne Bells also require a high rise hood which adds to the cost... The TTs are friggin exspensive! Cost wise the Pro-Charger types (AC looking ones) are the least exspensive and are "sleepers"...
Like Ron said, the more boost the looser the goose... it's like anything else, there's always a trade off. But I feel that with 6 bolt mains, we can run a reasonable amount (6.5 to 7 lbs) of boost forever! Also make sure the charge is cooled... Tom's going to tell you to get a Meth injector too!
I'm still on the fence about going with a "sleeper" or a high rise hood. TTs are out for me... Too much damn exhaust work... Yuck!
tom snitzer 06-23-2007, 02:00 PM A few additional facts about FI and your 2 basic choices turbo or SC. Turbo gets you lots of low end boost fast, is quiet and there are no belts to change. They are a little more expensive to install correctly ($1,000 addl). The big negative is if your into road racing. There's a lag when you drop the peddle until the impeller spools up, then a rather abrupt boost in power. On the street or in a drag application that's fun. Road racing the sudden boost can put an inexperienced(or even an intermediate driver) off the track when exiting a turn (aka. if your serious about HPDEs don't buy one).
As for the SC choices those fall into two categories(I: stock hood, II: high rise hood reqrd):
I. Centrifugal SCs: Procharger, Vortech, ESC kit, which don't require a high rise front hood. The only disadvantage to these is they don't build signif power until the rpms are over 3,700. If you forge the bottom end of the car, you can get these to turn out impressive hp #s(my car for ex. is 740rwhp). Price installed 500hp $9,000, price for 740hp(including forged bot, fuel pump, meth inj) $16,000.
IIa. roots style: Maggie: Builds powers right away at 2,000+rpm. Downsides: limit to about 500 rwhp and needs high rise hood. Cost about $9,000
IIb. twin screw: Kenne Bell: Builds power right away and can be modified to support 800rwhp. More efficient, less parasitic loss. Downsides: high rise hood, addl weights (+100 lbs). PS. Ford GT uses twin screw.
End note: For the street the twin turbo is my favorite choice. STS and APS both great, I favor the latter slightly. Make sure you check out your installer carefully. Good luck.
02RonZ06 06-23-2007, 07:18 PM A few additional facts about FI and your 2 basic choices turbo or SC. Turbo gets you lots of low end boost fast, is quiet and there are no belts to change. They are a little more expensive to install correctly ($1,000 addl). The big negative is if your into road racing. There's a lag when you drop the peddle until the impeller spools up, then a rather abrupt boost in power. On the street or in a drag application that's fun. Road racing the sudden boost can put an inexperienced(or even an intermediate driver) off the track when exiting a turn (aka. if your serious about HPDEs don't buy one).
As for the SC choices those fall into two categories(I: stock hood, II: high rise hood reqrd):
I. Centrifugal SCs: Procharger, Vortech, ESC kit, which don't require a high rise front hood. The only disadvantage to these is they don't build signif power until the rpms are over 3,700. If you forge the bottom end of the car, you can get these to turn out impressive hp #s(my car for ex. is 740rwhp). Price installed 500hp $9,000, price for 740hp(including forged bot, fuel pump, meth inj) $16,000.
IIa. roots style: Maggie: Builds powers right away at 2,000+rpm. Downsides: limit to about 500 rwhp and needs high rise hood. Cost about $9,000
IIb. twin screw: Kenne Bell: Builds power right away and can be modified to support 800rwhp. More efficient, less parasitic loss. Downsides: high rise hood, addl weights (+100 lbs). PS. Ford GT uses twin screw.
End note: For the street the twin turbo is my favorite choice. STS and APS both great, I favor the latter slightly. Make sure you check out your installer carefully. Good luck.
Very good information!
tstar 06-24-2007, 12:29 AM Yeah the Kenne Bell's are pretty sweet... Thanx Tom! As usual, you're the man!
Anyone price the APS system lately? Last I saw it was a a few grand over a SC set-up... Parts only.
Chevyman 06-26-2007, 08:38 AM I would choose the kenne bell, I have delt with them for a long time and I stick with what works!!
derek.messer 07-05-2007, 07:19 AM Great thread guys! Very informative not to mention gets the gears turning!
killerB 07-05-2007, 08:53 AM I will put my .02 worth in, I just love the sound of the TT winding up and getting ready to unleash hell!!!! Ooops, can I say that?? Might be a bit more expensive but wow the power!!
Ultimate CC 10-09-2007, 09:07 AM If you go TT you need to go meth injection...the benefits are huge...
tom snitzer 10-09-2007, 08:59 PM Agree. Meth is a great addition you should not overlook TT or SC!
Quikonesilver 10-10-2007, 12:30 PM Agree. Meth is a great addition you should not overlook TT or SC!
I don't have a TT or SC but have thought about it, are there any down sides or risk with Methanol being squirted into your engine? Hazards? :)
tom snitzer 10-10-2007, 07:10 PM I have never run into anyone that uses meth in a NA application. I can't imagine that you would need it. Sorry I can't help more.
prochargedvette 10-12-2007, 08:13 AM Twin Turbo or Supercharger as others have stated two different animals, either way you can't go wrong. I've always been a fan of the Procharger system, and 100% happy. good luck with your search!
thechef 10-21-2007, 08:53 AM A few additional facts about FI and your 2 basic choices turbo or SC. Turbo gets you lots of low end boost fast, is quiet and there are no belts to change. They are a little more expensive to install correctly ($1,000 addl). The big negative is if your into road racing. There's a lag when you drop the peddle until the impeller spools up, then a rather abrupt boost in power. On the street or in a drag application that's fun. Road racing the sudden boost can put an inexperienced(or even an intermediate driver) off the track when exiting a turn (aka. if your serious about HPDEs don't buy one).
As for the SC choices those fall into two categories(I: stock hood, II: high rise hood reqrd):
I. Centrifugal SCs: Procharger, Vortech, ESC kit, which don't require a high rise front hood. The only disadvantage to these is they don't build signif power until the rpms are over 3,700. If you forge the bottom end of the car, you can get these to turn out impressive hp #s(my car for ex. is 740rwhp). Price installed 500hp $9,000, price for 740hp(including forged bot, fuel pump, meth inj) $16,000.
IIa. roots style: Maggie: Builds powers right away at 2,000+rpm. Downsides: limit to about 500 rwhp and needs high rise hood. Cost about $9,000
IIb. twin screw: Kenne Bell: Builds power right away and can be modified to support 800rwhp. More efficient, less parasitic loss. Downsides: high rise hood, addl weights (+100 lbs). PS. Ford GT uses twin screw.
End note: For the street the twin turbo is my favorite choice. STS and APS both great, I favor the latter slightly. Make sure you check out your installer carefully. Good luck.
I'm a smokinvette newbie and Corvette newbie also, and slowing looking to build up my new 2004 C5. Would like to get more power quicker (have to work with my budget). I've always been a kitchen geek and never got into cars or new what was out there. Its amazing all the stuff you can do to these cars!:D
prochargedvette 10-23-2007, 06:58 AM I'm a smokinvette newbie and Corvette newbie also, and slowing looking to build up my new 2004 C5. Would like to get more power quicker (have to work with my budget). I've always been a kitchen geek and never got into cars or new what was out there. Its amazing all the stuff you can do to these cars!:D
You can find deals from manufacture, keep an eye on ebay for someone selling one used. If you buy one used verify seller and the mileage on the supercharger.
bradleyback 10-26-2007, 05:55 AM I'm a smokinvette newbie and Corvette newbie also, and slowing looking to build up my new 2004 C5. Would like to get more power quicker (have to work with my budget). I've always been a kitchen geek and never got into cars or new what was out there. Its amazing all the stuff you can do to these cars!:D
The are a fun time, wait till you get going. You won't be able to stop the mods!
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