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: Handling


VetteQueen
06-18-2007, 06:47 AM
Can someone here recomend a set up that will enhance the ride of my Vette. I have all the power that I want and now I want to make it handle better so when I go on our road trips I can have a little more fun!! Thank you in advanced!:)
PS This is a nice looking site, looking forward to chatting with others!

vettegirl2007
06-18-2007, 06:58 AM
Can someone here recomend a set up that will enhance the ride of my Vette. I have all the power that I want and now I want to make it handle better so when I go on our road trips I can have a little more fun!! Thank you in advanced!:)
PS This is a nice looking site, looking forward to chatting with others!

Maybe some sway bars or different shocks than the factory ones. Really depends on how much $$ you want to spend. Good luck girl! ;)

tom snitzer
06-18-2007, 05:04 PM
Agree that sway bars and shocks will stiffen up the ride and improve handling. Going from run flats, to a normal sidewall tire will also help. That's about as far as I would take it for street applications.

There are lots of additional tweeks you can do, but for strictly street driving, they aren't worth it.

smokinvette
06-18-2007, 09:35 PM
Agree that sway bars and shocks will stiffen up the ride and improve handling. Going from run flats, to a normal sidewall tire will also help. That's about as far as I would take it for street applications.

There are lots of additional tweeks you can do, but for strictly street driving, they aren't worth it.

Tom was it you that was talking about Moton coil overs a while back? If so what has been your experience with these?

tom snitzer
06-20-2007, 07:13 PM
Coil-overs will dramatically change the handling characterists of your vette. The difference on a track is "night and day". The coil-overs allow the removal of the car's leaf springs and replacment by an adjustable shock with an additional spring surround. There are several different types avail, with Moton and Penske being the choice for most high end race cars. Moton's (entry level-two way adjustables) run $4,000 for a complete set; Penke's start at $10,000(forget about it).

Moton coil overs allow the user to adjust the stiffness, rebound rate and height of the vehicle. My car has been lowered approx 2 inches (which fairly extreme), has also been cornered weighted with a small amount of front rake (car tilts forward slightly). The tires are cambered in 2.5 degrees in front and 1/5 degrees in the rear. I also have T1 sway bars.

The result of all that, other than the $5,000 lost on mods, is a car that handles on track like a completely different animal. On the street, a total waste of money.

Ex. A Porche 911 GT3 on a "turney" course will usually very slightly edge out a Z06 Vette. Take that Z06 and do the improvements I mentioned and the Porche won't keep up. It makes that much of a difference.

usmcvette
06-21-2007, 06:19 AM
Coil-overs will dramatically change the handling characterists of your vette. The difference on a track is "night and day". The coil-overs allow the removal of the car's leaf springs and replacment by an adjustable shock with an additional spring surround. There are several different types avail, with Moton and Penske being the choice for most high end race cars. Moton's (entry level-two way adjustables) run $4,000 for a complete set; Penke's start at $10,000(forget about it).

Moton coil overs allow the user to adjust the stiffness, rebound rate and height of the vehicle. My car has been lowered approx 2 inches (which fairly extreme), has also been cornered weighted with a small amount of front rake (car tilts forward slightly). The tires are cambered in 2.5 degrees in front and 1/5 degrees in the rear. I also have T1 sway bars.

The result of all that, other than the $5,000 lost on mods, is a car that handles on track like a completely different animal. On the street, a total waste of money.

Ex. A Porche 911 GT3 on a "turney" course will usually very slightly edge out a Z06 Vette. Take that Z06 and do the improvements I mentioned and the Porche won't keep up. It makes that much of a difference.

You always seem to have impressive post! Hell I'm not even on the market for coilovers, however will read this because of your previous informative post!

Pete

smokinvette2
06-22-2007, 07:48 AM
Coil-overs will dramatically change the handling characterists of your vette. The difference on a track is "night and day". The coil-overs allow the removal of the car's leaf springs and replacment by an adjustable shock with an additional spring surround. There are several different types avail, with Moton and Penske being the choice for most high end race cars. Moton's (entry level-two way adjustables) run $4,000 for a complete set; Penke's start at $10,000(forget about it).

Moton coil overs allow the user to adjust the stiffness, rebound rate and height of the vehicle. My car has been lowered approx 2 inches (which fairly extreme), has also been cornered weighted with a small amount of front rake (car tilts forward slightly). The tires are cambered in 2.5 degrees in front and 1/5 degrees in the rear. I also have T1 sway bars.

The result of all that, other than the $5,000 lost on mods, is a car that handles on track like a completely different animal. On the street, a total waste of money.

Ex. A Porche 911 GT3 on a "turney" course will usually very slightly edge out a Z06 Vette. Take that Z06 and do the improvements I mentioned and the Porche won't keep up. It makes that much of a difference.
I agree with this only if you are really getting into road racing. I think alot of people get really big into changing the handling aspect of their Vettes and they really can't even use the current setup to it's fullest capabilities. Now this is my opinion so just take it for what it's worth!! Just trying to help, I think you would be surprised if you knew exactly what your car could do with a really nice set of tires!!

tom snitzer
06-23-2007, 01:50 PM
I agree 100%. Well said.

As I mentioned above, coil overs for the street are a waste of money.

On the subject of the capability of a stock Vette: If anyone has the opportunity to visit Spring Mountain in Nev for a 3 day driving clinic do so. It's a wonderful way to get some driving skills for any situation, but most importantly you will get to drive a totally stock OEM Vette close to it's limit. A stock vette with no mods is an awsome machine and will give you the ride of your life.

http://www.springmountainmotorsports.com/

smokinvette2
06-26-2007, 08:20 AM
Tom, I presume that you have been to that Spring Mountain? I have heard that it is extremely fun!!

tom snitzer
06-26-2007, 10:53 AM
It's very expensive in the long run. They run a tremendous operation and that leads to a serious addiction.

Had I skipped Spring Mountain, I could have avoided a lot of track prep work to my present street car, not to mention the track only car I'm building.

But seriously folks, I would recommend Spring Mountain to anyone. Very good instruction, nice people, good equipment. Whether you are interested in ever stepping foot on a track again, the course will really give you a new appreciation for your car and how to drive it safely.

illbback
06-28-2007, 10:55 AM
I have the F55 setup and I can't see needing anymore handling, but it all depends on your driving habits as probably mentioned before.

VetteQueen
07-05-2007, 09:38 AM
I want to thank everyone for their inputs on my question, as for now I guess I will try and see what my current setup can do and if I feel at that point that I am out driving my current suspension (haha) then I will go from there!