I was wondering if anyone else is
running Nitrogen filled tires???
The last time I had 4 tires mounted
and balanced.I spent another $20.00 and
had the tires filled with Nitrogen.
The salesman said it's supposed to help the
tires run cooler, maintain a better constant
pressure and extend tire life. We will see!!!!!!!
Maybe I just got taken for a 20 spot!! :cool:

No I have heard that too. As a matter of fact the next time I was going to try it. I have heard nothing but good things about it, and really it's only $20.:cheers:

I'm going to try Helilium, maybe I'll get rid of some unsprung weight that way! :willy_nilly:

I'm going to try Helilium, maybe I'll get rid of some unsprung weight that way! :willy_nilly:

So I would presume that from this statement you don't use the nitrogen?:thumbsup:

I was just fooling around and have nothing against it. Personally for a street car I don't see the need but it sure doesn't hurt either! :thumbsup:

I've heard about that! You hate toss money out the window but I've heard that about the nitrogen filled tires also. Personally I have not tried it, but then again I have never been asked. If I where to be asked I would most likely give it a shot.

I've heard the benefits are mostly hype. Most test data I believe indicate that road raced tires filled with nitrogen vs. air don't show differences in heat or expansion.

Feel free to jump in if you have heard different.

That's not to say I don't use nitrogen. My track only car has nitrogen jacks.

I've heard the benefits are mostly hype. Most test data I believe indicate that road raced tires filled with nitrogen vs. air don't show differences in heat or expansion.

Makes sense since the atmosphere is 78% nitrogen anyway.

I think the key is if you have compressed air that is dry. If the compressed air being put in has a lot of moisture, you will see a difference. If you have a good system with a dryer, you probably won't see much difference.

I think the key is if you have compressed air that is dry. If the compressed air being put in has a lot of moisture, you will see a difference. If you have a good system with a dryer, you probably won't see much difference.

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

Excuse the ignorance, but I thought putting nitrogen in the tires was just to help keep the proper pressure and not have to check or ad air so often. Is that not the case?

Excuse the ignorance, but I thought putting nitrogen in the tires was just to help keep the proper pressure and not have to check or ad air so often. Is that not the case?

The theory is that nitrogen expands less when heated that air. The idea being that as your tires heat up (on track/rr) or the ambient temp outside changes, your tire pressure stays more constant.

Most test data I've seen indicate that it makes no difference.

That's what I've heard, it really didn't make enough difference to offset the cost of the nitrogen, just what I've heard.

For nitrogen to be best used requires getting all the air out of the tire. Most tires shops do not do that thus waste of money.
Best case is buy your own tank and do it yourself. It is cheap and if done right will help in tire expanding as tire heating up, keeps inner tire dry and less leaks as nitrogen makeup is larger and less able to leak out.

I have used it for 20 plus years in tires and also to cool the shocks.

GM says :

Document ID# 2047004

Subject: Use of Nitrogen Gas in Tires #05-03-10-020A - (01/03/2008)

Models: 2008 and Prior GM Passenger Cars and Trucks (including Saturn)

This bulletin is being revised to add the 2007-2008 model years. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 05-03-10-020 (Section 03 -- Suspension).

GM's Position on the Use of Nitrogen Gas in Tires

General Motors does not oppose the use of purified nitrogen as an inflation gas for tires. We expect the theoretical benefits to be reduced in practical use due to the lack of an existing infrastructure to continuously facilitate inflating tires with nearly pure nitrogen.

Even occasional inflation with compressed atmospheric air will negate many of the theoretical benefits. Given those theoretical benefits, practical limitations, and the robust design of GM original equipment TPC tires, the realized benefits to our customer of inflating their tires with purified nitrogen are expected to be minimal.

The Promise of Nitrogen: Under Controlled Conditions
Recently, nitrogen gas (for use in inflating tires) has become available to the general consumer through some retailers. The use of nitrogen gas to inflate tires is a technology used in automobile racing.

The following benefits under controlled conditions are attributed to nitrogen gas and its unique properties:

• A reduction in the expected loss of Tire Pressure over time.

• A reduction in the variance of Tire Pressures with temperature changes due to reduction of water vapor concentration.

• A reduction of long term rubber degradation due to a decrease in oxygen concentrations.


Important: These are obtainable performance improvements when relatively pure nitrogen gas is used to inflate tires under controlled conditions.


The Promise of Nitrogen: Real World Use
Nitrogen inflation can provide some benefit by reducing gas migration (pressure loss) at the molecular level through the tire structure.

NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) has stated that the inflation pressure loss of tires can be up to 5% a month. Nitrogen molecules are larger than oxygen molecules and, therefore, are less prone to "seeping" through the tire casing.
The actual obtainable benefits of nitrogen vary, based on the physical construction and the materials used in the manufacturing of the tire being inflated.

Another potential benefit of nitrogen is the reduced oxidation of tire components. Research has demonstrated that oxygen consumed in the oxidation process of the tire primarily comes from the inflation media.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that oxidation of tire components can be reduced if the tire is inflated with pure nitrogen. However, only very small amounts of oxygen are required to begin the normal oxidation process.

Even slight contamination of the tire inflation gas with compressed atmospheric air during normal inflation pressure maintenance, may negate the benefits of using nitrogen.

GM Tire Quality, Technology and Focus of Importance
Since 1972, General Motors has designed tires under the TPC (Tire Performance Criteria) specification system, which includes specific requirements that ensure robust tire performance under normal usage.

General Motors works with tire suppliers to design and manufacture original equipment tires for GM vehicles. The GM TPC addresses required performance with respect to both inflation pressure retention, and endurance properties for original equipment tires.
The inflation pressure retention requirements address availability of oxygen and oxidation concerns, while endurance requirements ensure the mechanical structure of the tire has sufficient strength.
This combination has provided our customers with tires that maintain their structural integrity throughout their useful treadlife under normal operating conditions.

Regardless of the inflation media for tires (atmospheric air or nitrogen), inflation pressure maintenance of tires is critical for overall tire, and ultimately, vehicle performance.

Maintaining the correct inflation pressure allows the tire to perform as intended by the vehicle manufacturer in many areas, including comfort, fuel economy, stopping distance, cornering, traction, treadwear, and noise.
Since the load carrying capability of a tire is related to inflation pressure, proper inflation pressure maintenance is necessary for the tire to support the load imposed by the vehicle without excessive structural degradation.

Important: Regardless of the inflation media for tires (atmospheric air or nitrogen), inflation pressure maintenance of tires is critical for overall tire, and ultimately, vehicle performance.

Most of the folks who I road race with have seen no difference in tire pressure when running nitrogren vs. air. That's a little disappointing since in theory (as the GM article states) one might expect more benefit.

Changes in tire pressure are tremendously important on the track. R compound race tires typically will go from 32 lbs cold to 38 hot in a matter 2-3 hard laps. Changing your tire pressure 1-2 lbs makes a world of difference in handling/feel and tire roll over in turns. If we could get the tires to "dial in" with less variability in pressure that would be great.

Ergo: If the nitrogen made any difference we would use it. Many of us have bottled nitrogren at the track for use with our nitro jacks.

Just my two cents. :thud:

Excuse the ignorance, but I thought putting nitrogen in the tires was just to help keep the proper pressure and not have to check or ad air so often. Is that not the case?

That is what I thought also?

nitrogen doesn't exspand with temp or alltitude,it's the way to go for even press anywere. good luck,mike

Quack!

Naaa tro gin does not expand(?) Is it in a vacuum? What the kwack is disshit?
You half data gas is a larger molecule than oxy is a heat sink is the fat lady can sing but the **** if she can get through the door; is a longer tire pressure signal on the pressure guage you next month ya fat car cause and effect... Bitch! Chew if they made natural white rubber like the old cars you see in a museum is that you dumb shits making tires use oil to burn the rubber is the carbon **** to cook that tire even hotter is you know oil burns hotter than gas so that tire is cooking friction like wear it down is the oil drums dumb's too.

You bunch of cry babies is that if you witnessed a white tire on your car you'd yell to Bad-Year they took that year to save a few million barrels on a few million tires needing rotation out of ear shot is your oil wealth heading over to due far is way to far is your cash now you are not on white walls is all white nature cooler running tires is use the steam of the air (water) inside to heat the tire up is now a pressure cooker is 78% new tro gene naaah in day car cause is we do not live in a vacuum or dog doo wee-wee?

nitrogen doesn't exspand with temp or alltitude,it's the way to go for even press anywere. good luck,mike

:iagree: This is why aircraft use Nitrogen all the time in their tires....less expansion and more consistent tire pressures with altitude and temp variances. :cheers:

Naaa tro gin does not expand(?) Is it in a vacuum? What the kwack is disshit?
You half data gas is a larger molecule than oxy is a heat sink is the fat lady can sing but the **** if she can get through the door; is a longer tire pressure signal on the pressure guage you next month ya fat car cause and effect... Bitch! Chew if they made natural white rubber like the old cars you see in a museum is that you dumb shits making tires use oil to burn the rubber is the carbon **** to cook that tire even hotter is you know oil burns hotter than gas so that tire is cooking friction like wear it down is the oil drums dumb's too.

You bunch of cry babies is that if you witnessed a white tire on your car you'd yell to Bad-Year they took that year to save a few million barrels on a few million tires needing rotation out of ear shot is your oil wealth heading over to due far is way to far is your cash now you are not on white walls is all white nature cooler running tires is use the steam of the air (water) inside to heat the tire up is now a pressure cooker is 78% new tro gene naaah in day car cause is we do not live in a vacuum or dog doo wee-wee?

:wtf: :crazy: :leaving:

I've heard the benefits are mostly hype. Most test data I believe indicate that road raced tires filled with nitrogen vs. air don't show differences in heat or expansion.

Feel free to jump in if you have heard different.

That's not to say I don't use nitrogen. My track only car has nitrogen jacks.

:iagree: HYPE - IMHO :patriot:

I think that it is more hype then benefit also, but that is just my opinion from what I know of it all.

Seriously has anyone actually done this and NOTICED a difference? Seems to be more like a urban mith than anything.

Well they did show that it had some effect on passenger aircraft that hit the ground at 500mph and weigh about 100 tons. Surely its a must have for a 3000lb car that sees 100 degree tire temperatures under extreme conditions.:thud:

Hmmm, can I just continue to use regular air?lol:cheers:

Hmmm, can I just continue to use regular air?lol:cheers:
No no no no!!! Not acceptable! http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm309/DynamicTuningSolutions/nitrogen_logo_small.jpg is the only way... :D:rofl:

35,000 tire stores can't be wrong using shop air http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm309/DynamicTuningSolutions/9876_300.png can they? :cheers:

thanks

Anyone serious in racing or high speed would never consider to use air only.

There's nothing new about nitrogen inflation of tires. It's been around since Texan Dr. Larry Sperberg brought it to our attention in 1968. That's when he pronounced that a tire wears out from the inside out - a process he called "chemical degradation."

While not dismissing the other benefits of using nitrogen instead of air, Sperberg focused on the negative impact of moisture introduced into a tire via undrained compressor tanks.

"This moisture-laden air (oxygen catalyzed by water) works its way into and through the tire cord body, causing heat, expansion, and loss of strength and elasticity," he said.

"Such air also attacks the wheel, ultimately penetrating the paint and oxidizing the iron below it to form iron oxide or rust. Even aluminum is not immune from rusting, forming aluminum hydroxide that produces an extremely fine dust," said Sperberg.

Although the good doctor's ideas were deemed "interesting" nearly 40 years ago, they didn't make it to the top of the pile. Sperberg kept pushing, issuing studies in the 1980s and 1990s that kept the matter alive, but with nominal success.

But more recent developments - primarily soaring fuel prices and tire safety concerns - did what Sperberg's raw science could not. Nitrogen inflation is now the HOT topic in the tire industry.

Carrying promises of longer tire life, better fuel mileage, improved road handling, better inflation pressure maintenance, elimination of oxidation and rust, and improved truck tire retreadability - not to mention increased revenue - nitrogen generating/dispensing equipment have become a HOT products in the industry.

Nitrogen Science 101
To understand the basis for the sudden interest in nitrogen, a little background is in order.

A dry, inert gas, nitrogen's main benefit is its molecular structure; nitrogen molecules are considerably larger than oxygen molecules, so they don't permeate a tire nearly as quickly. Oxygen can pass through an innerliner, belt package and sidewall/tread three to four times faster than nitrogen.

This factor helps maintain proper inflation pressure longer, which means tires run cooler, thereby increasing safety and reducing operating cost. That's the basic science behind nitrogen and the many marketing claims being made.

As Sperberg noted, replacing moisture-friendly oxygen with naturally dry nitrogen means oxidation of tire and wheel components is virtually eliminated. And, without water vapor and oxygen to heat things up, nitrogen-inflated tires supposedly run cooler, last longer and deliver a host of other benefits.

Science and Stats
Even though the idea of nitrogen inflation has been around for a while, it seems that suppliers and tiremakers are just starting to get their arms around its varied benefits. Some of what nitrogen provides is based on science. Some is based on statistics. And the rest is, well, somewhat interpretive.

Many experts say that the effects of underinflation of tires cost this country two million gallons of gasoline a day. In fact, 90% of the tire failures on the road today are caused by underinflation.

One company which makes nitrogen generators, said that an improvement of just 5% in tire life means at least 10 million fewer tires to dispose of in landfills per year.

When it comes to tire life, some industry observes say that a tire that is underinflated by 10% will lose approximately 7% of its service life.

Benefits
So you see, with nitrogen, proper inflation pressure is maintained for a much longer period of time. And, the nearly forgotten spare tire, inflated with nitrogen, will better retain its pressure for an emergency situation.

However, that doesn't mean the end of routine inflation pressure checks. Nitrogen generator manufacturers and tiremakers alike continue to stress the importance of ongoing inflation checks. Nitrogen eventually leaks out, too, but that isn't talked about very much.

Then, there are the extrapolated secondary benefits. Properly inflated tires, those filled with nitrogen, will not only help save fuel but will corner better on wet or icy roads.

A properly inflated tire, regardless of the gas inside of it, maintains the correct footprint on the road, which minimizes squirm and rapid tire wear and drivers get better fuel mileage because a properly inflated tire has less rolling resistance than an underinflated one - which also decreases auto emissions.

Another major point being made by nitrogen generator makers harkens back to Sperberg's "chemical degradation." According to at least one study, if the rate at which air permeates through the tire composite is slowed, so too is the rate of chemical aging.

Regardless of the claims, nitrogen is climbing the charts. Some industry experts say that, within three to six months, there will be a nationwide change in the way nitrogen inflation is being provided and used. Since the use of nitrogen is the standard in other parts of the world - some believe it should also be here.

Surprising Start
Oddly, the nitrogen movement really caught fire among passenger car drivers, not major trucking firms, a fact that has puzzled the makers of nitrogen generators.

In the trucking industry, which struggles with tires that can lose 2 psi per month, even nitrogen's most basic benefit should be big news. Despite years of pitching, however, nitrogen has made minimal inroads with over-the-road fleets. Today's soaring diesel prices, and nitrogen's other benefits, may be turning the tide.

Filling a truck tire with nitrogen will extend tire life by up to 25%, according to one equipment manufacturer. So, a truck tire that normally lasts 270,000 when filled with air, will last 337,500 miles if filled with nitrogen. That breaks out to big savings, too. At a savings of $120 per tire, a fleet of 50 trucks and 900 wheel positions would save more than $100,000 in tire costs by inflating with nitrogen.

There is the matter of inflation pressure checks. Do truck tires filled with nitrogen still require daily/weekly inflation checks? Some say no and have computed the savings in time and labor to be as much as $31,000 per year.

Others insist yes, pointing to the negative impact of even minimal pressure leakage. The subject will, no doubt, remain open for discussion.

From a safety and tire-life standpoint, most of the benefit talk focuses on heat. Science says that a tire filled with naturally dry nitrogen will run cooler than a tire filled with moisture-laden compressed air.

For the consumer contemplating a long summer vacation drive, properly inflated and cooler running tires would reduce the chance of a tire failure, a point some dealers have made in promoting nitrogen inflation.

For line-haul fleet owners, who hunt down cost-per-mile savings like heat-seeking missiles, such science should add up to monumental savings - numbers that are simply too large to ignore. What could be better than a longer-lasting truck tire that provides a more retreadable casing?

Getting Nitro ROI
A number of companies are producing and/or marketing nitrogen generators. They say they are filling orders as fast as they can, and, in many cases, are already backordered.

Nitrogen generators, as the name implies, produce nearly pure nitrogen. Using a membrane and filters, they also remove oxygen and pollutants, such as water and oil vapor, from inside a tire.

Nitrogen generators cost around $5,000, plus options, which can include a holding tank and maintenance fees for filter replacements every one or two years and a carbon element every two to three years. The heart of the generator, the membrane, lasts from 15 to 20 years, so that's not really a cost factor.

Nitrogen in the Pits
The key reason pro race teams use nitrogen is convenience. In tank form, nitrogen is portable and can easily be moved from garages to pit areas. Because it's moisture free, nitrogen is easy on expensive air tools. And, because it is non-flammable, unlike pure oxygen, nitrogen is safe to use. In terms of race performance, cooler-running tires help stretch out pit stops and provide a more consistent footprint.

Just how much a daily commuter will benefit from a cooler-running and subsequently longer-lasting tire is up for grabs, though.

Although the claims being made for nitrogen are effectively true, the real reward for a passenger tire user will vary a bit, say some. It's a bit like people who take vitamin pills - some notice a definite difference, while others don't notice anything, even though the vitamins are working their magic.

Tiremakers, once soft on nitrogen, have taken notice. Michelin okays the use of nitrogen in its passenger tire line. Strong support also comes from Bridgestone/Firestone for its commercial tires, and in June 2004, a technical bulletin was released from Goodyear approving the process.

"...a technical bulletin was released from Goodyear approving the process."

Technical bullshit. If you listen to Smokey Yunick, he owned a rubber plantation in south american and knew how to make a tire from step 1 working with GoodCheer you see those technical releases is guess WOT?
Within 6 months sitting outside in your driveway? Ultra violet light decomposes the tire so bad, you can measure the shrink.

Smokey made a tire that lasts longer and runs quieter is the, "Bald Eagle." You know that lawyerage speak and there is Smoke with the simple physics explaining that black is a suck-all-that ultraviolet.

If you made natural white rubber is white repels and is cooler. Lasts longer-Lasts longer-lasts LONGER is that tire sitting on the shelf and the quarterly report ain't WOT it used to be.

Ever notice in the nazcar pits you see the teams cover the tires? They have the "stagger" set is not to have the sun upset the balance shrink to fit to lose. :rofl:

Never really understood much about this, but now reading this thread I can safely say that I understand it alot better now!! that is what I look for in a thread!

Anyone serious in racing or high speed would never consider to use air only.


Im sorry but I know a few people I would definately call serious about racing. Either 1/4 or turns, nobody I know uses this in their tires. To each their own about how they prepare their own cars but adding nitrogen to tires is a preference only.

Properly inflated tires, those filled with nitrogen, will not only help save fuel but will corner better on wet or icy roads.

Properly inflated tires period, do that. The nitrogen has no added effect on this.

Carrying promises of longer tire life, better fuel mileage, improved road handling, better inflation pressure maintenance, elimination of oxidation and rust, and improved truck tire retreadability - not to mention increased revenue - nitrogen generating/dispensing equipment have become a HOT products in the industry.

Theoretical promises. Based simply on the fact that in peter pan land, wheres tires never leak. blow out, or otherwise go flat that nitrogen will maintain pressure(something we can do ourselves). Truck tire retreads are not in any way based on what air goes inside them. Increased revenue, now that part I believe.

The only thing that entire article says over and over is that nitrogen maintains pressure better than standard air. The rest of the article reminds me of one of those "for only $19.99" commercials where they claim their toilet paper was plucked from the highest mountains of Tokyo where the petals of the JimJim plant are smoother and will give your butt that warm feeling that your looking for after a night of mexican food. Thanks, I'll stick to charmin.

WAIT! If you order Now, you'll recieve the Kenoki foot pads also, a $39.99 value!

WAIT! If you order Now, you'll recieve the Kenoki foot pads also, a $39.99 value!

Unless your one of the first 5 callers that is! We will inject the footpads with hungarian nitrogen and still give you the amazing deal of only $19.99.

:rofl:

Anyone using just air for race trim is asking for problems and lost races.

Tires are no longer properly inflated once they heat up in fact each wheel has different weight loads and each tire then changes pressure causing incorrect inflation.
Try just the left rear which has more weight then right rear, after few passes at the drags the left rear will be 3-4 lbs higher causing more wheel hop and crap 60 foot times.

Nitrogen will reduce that greatly and mantain a more constant inflation.

Interesting certain types of racing such as Open Road Races mandates to run higher speeds, to pass tech inspection the tires MUST be filled with nitrogen

But heck what do they know :driving:

Since nitrogen is an inert gas, it doesn't react with and help to break down the rubber as would be the case were oxygen present.

Also, the lack of oxygen means metallic components like the steel belts and valve stems won't rust. (Except those exposed to atmospheric oxygen, of course).

Oxygen also degrades the inner liner, whose purpose is to keep air away from the carcass.
Nitrogen does not support combustion, as does oxygen.
That's especially important in situations where tires run hot enough to catch fire. (In fact, the airline industry and race car drivers have been using nitrogen in their tires for a long time now to reduce the possibility of fire hazard.)

The nitrogen used to inflate tires supposedly contains no water vapor. That's not the case when you inflate with ordinary air, unless you live in a place where there is practically no moisture in the air -- like the Death Valley desert. The problem with water vapor in the tires is that it could condense, then freeze, and that in turn would cause an imbalance and possibly damage the tire's interior. Also, water accelerates the corrosion of aluminum and other metallic parts.

It's also been said that nitrogen seeps out of the tires more slowly than regular air. With ordinary air, you might lose 2 psi (pounds per square inch) per month, but it could take nitrogen six months for that amount of gas to leak out.


You stick with the crap paper and TURNS racing, I have used nitrogen for 20 years and will continue to.

Im sorry but I know a few people I would definately call serious about racing. Either 1/4 or turns, nobody I know uses this in their tires. To each their own about how they prepare their own cars but adding nitrogen to tires is a preference only.

Properly inflated tires period, do that. The nitrogen has no added effect on this.

Theoretical promises. Based simply on the fact that in peter pan land, wheres tires never leak. blow out, or otherwise go flat that nitrogen will maintain pressure(something we can do ourselves). Truck tire retreads are not in any way based on what air goes inside them. Increased revenue, now that part I believe.

The only thing that entire article says over and over is that nitrogen maintains pressure better than standard air. The rest of the article reminds me of one of those "for only $19.99" commercials where they claim their toilet paper was plucked from the highest mountains of Tokyo where the petals of the JimJim plant are smoother and will give your butt that warm feeling that your looking for after a night of mexican food. Thanks, I'll stick to charmin.

Anyone using just air for race trim is asking for problems and lost races.

Tires are no longer properly inflated once they heat up in fact each wheel has different weight loads and each tire then changes pressure causing incorrect inflation.
Try just the left rear which has more weight then right rear, after few passes at the drags the left rear will be 3-4 lbs higher causing more wheel hop and crap 60 foot times.

I can prove from having plenty of drag racing experience that this is not true. And my slicks were damn sure heat cycled. Air pressure was at 17psi at the track orthe street. They never fluctuated between each other.

Nitrogen will reduce that greatly and mantain a more constant inflation.

Interesting certain types of racing such as Open Road Races mandates to run higher speeds, to pass tech inspection the tires MUST be filled with nitrogen

But heck what do they know :driving:

Maybe thats true due to the "constant pressure" at 200+mph you said yours goes for miles on end. That has absolutely nothing in common with a toyota driving on public roads though.

Since nitrogen is an inert gas, it doesn't react with and help to break down the rubber as would be the case were oxygen present.

Also, the lack of oxygen means metallic components like the steel belts and valve stems won't rust. (Except those exposed to atmospheric oxygen, of course).

Since every tire store replaces valve stems when you replace your tires, I guess it will be safe to say you wont have any issues.

Oxygen also degrades the inner liner, whose purpose is to keep air away from the carcass.
Nitrogen does not support combustion, as does oxygen.
That's especially important in situations where tires run hot enough to catch fire. (In fact, the airline industry and race car drivers have been using nitrogen in their tires for a long time now to reduce the possibility of fire hazard.)

Once again, race cars and Boeings have absolutely nothing remotely in common with anything that sees public streets where they pawn this stuff off as the voodoo juice.

The nitrogen used to inflate tires supposedly contains no water vapor. That's not the case when you inflate with ordinary air, unless you live in a place where there is practically no moisture in the air -- like the Death Valley desert. The problem with water vapor in the tires is that it could condense, then freeze, and that in turn would cause an imbalance and possibly damage the tire's interior. Also, water accelerates the corrosion of aluminum and other metallic parts.

Ive never pulled a tire off a rim and found crushed ice inside. Have you? I also have a set of aluminum wheels that have been sitting nearly ten years. No rust yet. So I guess a street car will be ok.

It's also been said that nitrogen seeps out of the tires more slowly than regular air. With ordinary air, you might lose 2 psi (pounds per square inch) per month, but it could take nitrogen six months for that amount of gas to leak out.

So you should check your air pressure once a month? Judging by the way you post, I would say you check yours daily. Or at least before you do a high speed course right?

You stick with the crap paper and TURNS racing, I have used nitrogen for 20 years and will continue to.

Well, regardless of what type of racing it is, people seem to be doing just fine for the last 100 years using air. My poop paper is strong! Can you PROVE that nitrogen on a car that drives down my street will gain anything from doing so? Thats been my only real question. And its gone unanswered.

Here is an interesting article about using nitrogen.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/

Quick profits appear to be pushing the use of nitrogen over any reduction in tire wear of our street vehicles. Aren't tire dealers hoping our tires will wear out so they can sell us new ones again?

The facts still are that if using air your have to on a regular basis check and add air to tires where you do not with nitrogen.

Using drag racing as your point does not wash as it is only 1/4 mile and then long enough time between runs for cool down and even then after I have for 40 years of drag racing unequal tire pressure due to using air only is fact.

Try real racing, most crashes in ORR is tires blowing out where we are moving at speeds of 160 to 230 MPH that air heats so badly that the thread of tire chunks off requiring tires have to be shaved down to reduce heat buildup and nitrogen used.

GM themselves use it for their racing and so does every other major type of racing.

What is stupid is non proper install by tire stores, they empty the tire pressure and then add the nitrogen when air was still in the tire and to do it correctly you need to nitrogen fill and empty tire a few times to assure all air has been replaced with nitrogen and as to costs instead of letting a shop stick it to you buy a tank costs less then $50 has tank pressure around 800 PSI and you simply swap tanks with shops that fill tanks.

"Well, regardless of what type of racing it is, people seem to be doing just fine for the last 100 years using air."

Ear is yer ant sewer. I'm going to call A.J. Foyt to race you with your night trow gin tires and now swap cars so A.J. can kick yer *** with the water tires filled with pee is solid-liquid-gas being that; if say you pee in the tire is if it gets hot enough down your street before the cops come and arrest us all is that pee eventually turns into gas when heated.

That means your tires will look when the air finally leaves (from the inside?) is it has to channel out of that hole is follow that oh pin path is the dog is out of it's cage and pee'd on your tire like a dog leaving it's mark......... Ear Spot! Run Spot RUN! (down my white is walls is well, day useless to be but now rides tied-down the street (sing wit me), "Like a yellow river down day old oak stream."

I have tried it for the past couple times and I don't know if I can say that I saw a difference. Whatever!:thud:

"Well, regardless of what type of racing it is, people seem to be doing just fine for the last 100 years using air."

Ear is yer ant sewer. I'm going to call A.J. Foyt to race you with your night trow gin tires and now swap cars so A.J. can kick yer *** with the water tires filled with pee is solid-liquid-gas being that; if say you pee in the tire is if it gets hot enough down your street before the cops come and arrest us all is that pee eventually turns into gas when heated.

That means your tires will look when the air finally leaves (from the inside?) is it has to channel out of that hole is follow that oh pin path is the dog is out of it's cage and pee'd on your tire like a dog leaving it's mark......... Ear Spot! Run Spot RUN! (down my white is walls is well, day useless to be but now rides tied-down the street (sing wit me), "Like a yellow river down day old oak stream."


What medication are you taking?:willy_nilly:

The facts still are that if using air your have to on a regular basis check and add air to tires where you do not with nitrogen.

Out of 5 cars in my driveway, only one has had the air pressure drop. I called it a flat.

Using drag racing as your point does not wash as it is only 1/4 mile and then long enough time between runs for cool down and even then after I have for 40 years of drag racing unequal tire pressure due to using air only is fact.

Ive hot lapped mine on more than one occasion. Tracks arent always packed. Heating up a very sticky compund tire with a burnout will get the job done everytime. And once again, no fluctuation from the left to the right tire of 4psi as you claim ever.

Try real racing, most crashes in ORR is tires blowing out where we are moving at speeds of 160 to 230 MPH that air heats so badly that the thread of tire chunks off requiring tires have to be shaved down to reduce heat buildup and nitrogen used.

Your again comparing 200+ mph cars with the 50 year old man driving his car down the freeway at 60mph. Id say the heat range and tire compound is violently different.

GM themselves use it for their racing and so does every other major type of racing.

What is stupid is non proper install by tire stores, they empty the tire pressure and then add the nitrogen when air was still in the tire and to do it correctly you need to nitrogen fill and empty tire a few times to assure all air has been replaced with nitrogen and as to costs instead of letting a shop stick it to you buy a tank costs less then $50 has tank pressure around 800 PSI and you simply swap tanks with shops that fill tanks.

So pay for $50 of nitrogen or check your air pressure once a month. I keep asking you the same question about proof of nitrogen having benefits to the consumer driving his car down the street. You have told me 3 times now that 200mph cars with low tire life due to massive friction from gripping compound use it for racing. But what you cannot seem to do is validate its use at the tire store down the street. Are we agreeing that its fluff on a street car where they market it or can you definitively show me proof that the voodoo juice has any benefits?

I think the issue of tires lasting longer with N2 is an irrelevant point.

These tires only go ~20K miles MAX anyway. Treads gone in a year if you DD the car so who cares about N2 making them last "longer" they don't have time to wear out from the inside-out because they wear out from the outside-in on a DD car.

Like was said before 35,000 tire shops can't be wrong... :lol:

For 1 if people go through $1,600 tires in 20K miles they might check the air pressure more often :(

Tires on my 1999 C5 are SEVEN years old with close to 30,000 miles with lots of high speed events including drags and thread depth is still fine

There is also as of today

Known Nitrogen Drivers 11,861,280

Nitrogen Dealers 10,365

What medication are you taking?:willy_nilly:

...and where can we get some:rofl:

"Well, regardless of what type of racing it is, people seem to be doing just fine for the last 100 years using air."

Ear is yer ant sewer. I'm going to call A.J. Foyt to race you with your night trow gin tires and now swap cars so A.J. can kick yer *** with the water tires filled with pee is solid-liquid-gas being that; if say you pee in the tire is if it gets hot enough down your street before the cops come and arrest us all is that pee eventually turns into gas when heated.

That means your tires will look when the air finally leaves (from the inside?) is it has to channel out of that hole is follow that oh pin path is the dog is out of it's cage and pee'd on your tire like a dog leaving it's mark......... Ear Spot! Run Spot RUN! (down my white is walls is well, day useless to be but now rides tied-down the street (sing wit me), "Like a yellow river down day old oak stream."

:wtf: Did I miss something?? What ya been smokin homey??

...and where can we get some:rofl:

Look, you do not get 3 brain concussions from racing strange mounts/playing dirt tracker/testing the world's fastest and leave the seat is the 3rd one did me in.

Or say, Smokey Yunick took Peyote to deep think is how he thought up some stuff.

Like, this one is so cool. He was flying a borrowed plane. The generator is outside the plane with it's own prop-wing to move the generator. He says he did not need to take pay yo tea to think up something that just walked so simple in his mind was to build a prop off a fan is (wink-wink) the generator is putting out 10amps behind the radiator; is after going 50mph the fan began to move; is gut the car alternator is no HP drain is no one caught on till the front end was bent and exposed the generator w/prop blade hand made kind of drugs need a comeback if you want to think out of day box is.

Sorry, I do not take or ingest illegal whatever fill the cartel pocket linings wit.
You need to crash year Vettes is roll them really hard is you wake up and watch yellow liquid pump through your eyes is that bang on the tarmac and you see the world all yellow. Like you bump your skin hard it turns that yellow before it 'black and blues?' Think all the world is yellow blood moving in your vision. There flows used spent corpse-suck-kills, pumped from your skull is you know knot wear out you are; but, you black out for a split second; come too is recover and now look at chew wondering what eyes smoke is yellow eyes. Try it a few times is you'll write like this soon and no one will have a clue what the heck yer on let alone talk about a subject co ear rant lee. :ack2: http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/images/smiles/hypno_smilie.gif

For 1 if people go through $1,600 tires in 20K miles they might check the air pressure more often :(

Tires on my 1999 C5 are SEVEN years old with close to 30,000 miles with lots of high speed events including drags and thread depth is still fine

There is also as of today

Known Nitrogen Drivers 11,861,280

Nitrogen Dealers 10,365

Im sure the number of people that claim to talk to the dead is around there too. Quit beating around the bush. Just answer my question please. You seem to have a hard time simply saying that you use it because you believe in it but theres nothing verifying what it will do for my car. Simply a preference. Not a big deal. The tires on my car wearing out after 20k miles has nothing to do with air pressure though.

Is this stuff for real?:willy_nilly:

So, what if we filled the tyres with hydrogen? Surely that would reduce unsprung weight! Less weight on the road, less tyre wear,
Only drawback I can think of is light steering.

I think a survey is needed.

So, what if we filled the tyres with hydrogen? Surely that would reduce unsprung weight! Less weight on the road, less tyre wear,
Only drawback I can think of is light steering.

I think a survey is needed.

I am no expert on that, but isn't that stuff volitile?

Sure, but it is a very light gas that will make your car lighter surely?

Has there been a major study on this yet? I would guess that there has been and all the pro's and con's are already stated somewhere.

im pretty sure some car manufacturers are starting to have there cars come stock with nitro inflated tires (new Nissan GTR i believe) so i would assume they did some sort of testing to justify the extra cost...

im pretty sure some car manufacturers are starting to have there cars come stock with nitro inflated tires (new Nissan GTR i believe) so i would assume they did some sort of testing to justify the extra cost...

That is the key to adding cost, is to show proof of the positive effecct that it has.:cheers:

Here is an interesting article about using nitrogen.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-truth-about-filling-your-tires-with-nitrogen/

Quick profits appear to be pushing the use of nitrogen over any reduction in tire wear of our street vehicles. Aren't tire dealers hoping our tires will wear out so they can sell us new ones again?

:iagree: Great article! Thanks!!! My wife had new tires put on her car and when she returned home she complained that they had put on ugly green valve caps. Yeah, the culprit was nitrogen! Yes, I had to change the caps!!!

I'm going to try Helilium, maybe I'll get rid of some unsprung weight that way! :willy_nilly:


I know, it's just a joke, but I'm kind of a physics geek here, so just bear with me, OK? If you put helium in your tires, it would not have any affect on your unsprung weight, because what is really meant by unsprung weight is unsprung MASS. Even if, theoretically, your car would weigh a teensy, weensy bit less on a scale, it would still have the identical mass, for example, if you paid a scrillion dollars and had your corvette outfitted with manuvering rockets, and put it on the space shuttle, and had it blasted into outer space so you could fly your corvette around in space.........hmmmmmmmm.......no, wait, that's just crazy!!! Anyway, if ya did that, your corvette would not have any weight, because there would be no gravity, but it would still have enough mass to smash into things, get it? Now remember, I know the whole helium thing was a joke, but this is how crazy rumors get started by people who aren't in on the joke, and also, I thought it would be kinda funny to just be a real geek about the whole thing.:burnout:

Scott