I have been looking online to add some performance to my 84 corvette, it is automatic with the Z51 suspension and I only have a K&N filter. I was thinking about getting a cat back exhaust, maybe some lower ratio rear end gears. I have read about an intake called an x-ram but they don't make them anymore. Any ideas? I also need to get some new weatherstripping, where is the cheapest, it rains alot here.

Weather stripping go to Corvette Recycler (vendor here):thumbsup3:
That is a decent cold air intake, look on ebay as you might find some deals.
Gears would definitely make a difference big time!!!!!!
Flowmaster cat backs are one of my favorites!
Lastly, Welcome to the site!

I agree with C4running......and also welcome to the best Corvette forum on the net

I have been looking online to add some performance to my 84 corvette, it is automatic with the Z51 suspension and I only have a K&N filter. I was thinking about getting a cat back exhaust, maybe some lower ratio rear end gears. I have read about an intake called an x-ram but they don't make them anymore. Any ideas? I also need to get some new weatherstripping, where is the cheapest, it rains alot here.

The Crossfire is nothing but a small block chevy, and will respond, as such, to the majority of typical small block chevy mods. With my '84 I ported the stock intake, installed a new cam, new (to me) heads with 1.6 roller rockers, long tube headers, and dual exhaust. This all started out as a "hmm I think I'll port out the intake" project and has since snowballed. The gears are fine (for me) for now so I'll leave them be.

What you really have to do is to determine what your goals are. Are you doing the work yourself? How much do you want to spend? There's a lot of options out there!

I have been looking online to add some performance to my 84 corvette, it is automatic with the Z51 suspension and I only have a K&N filter. I was thinking about getting a cat back exhaust, maybe some lower ratio rear end gears. I have read about an intake called an x-ram but they don't make them anymore. Any ideas? I also need to get some new weatherstripping, where is the cheapest, it rains alot here.


There is a company in Arizona that is working on a new performance intake manifold for these old Crossfires. Contact Dynamic Crossfire Solutions for further details.

There is a company in Arizona that is working on a new performance intake manifold for these old Crossfires. Contact Dynamic Crossfire Solutions for further details.

I have read about that intake on a few forums and to me it looks like a scam. Some people have payed up front a year ago and still don't have it. I read on another thread that a few intake manifolds were sent out to certain people. Nobody knows who these people are or if anybody even recieved one. I think there should be a red flag on this company. I hope they are not a vendor on this site.

The Crossfire is nothing but a small block chevy, and will respond, as such, to the majority of typical small block chevy mods. With my '84 I ported the stock intake, installed a new cam, new (to me) heads with 1.6 roller rockers, long tube headers, and dual exhaust. This all started out as a "hmm I think I'll port out the intake" project and has since snowballed. The gears are fine (for me) for now so I'll leave them be.

What you really have to do is to determine what your goals are. Are you doing the work yourself? How much do you want to spend? There's a lot of options out there!

I think my goals are shorted by my small bank account. I would love to have a fresh engine with all the good stuff installed heads, cam, ported intake or an x-ram. What do you guys do for extra money for your vettes? Are you all loaded or just finding deals on ebay?

I think my goals are shorted by my small bank account. I would love to have a fresh engine with all the good stuff installed heads, cam, ported intake or an x-ram. What do you guys do for extra money for your vettes? Are you all loaded or just finding deals on ebay?

IT's a hole. There is NEVER enough money. I'm into $20-25K (stopped counting) above the cost of the car.

Shop smart can help, but be realistic. You're performance is directly proportional to your budget.

If you can do the work yourself, you can stretch your budget. In the SBC arena of 23* motors, is getting a bit cheaper as many people are moving to altered valve angles for bigger power.

I think my goals are shorted by my small bank account. I would love to have a fresh engine with all the good stuff installed heads, cam, ported intake or an x-ram. What do you guys do for extra money for your vettes? Are you all loaded or just finding deals on ebay?


I still have every bit of the absolutely nothing I had twenty years ago.

I think my goals are shorted by my small bank account. I would love to have a fresh engine with all the good stuff installed heads, cam, ported intake or an x-ram. What do you guys do for extra money for your vettes? Are you all loaded or just finding deals on ebay?

Dude, you gotta look for bargains. The only thing I paid full price for was the cam kit and dual exhaust. Used headers, heads, roller rockers, and elbow grease on the intake. Start a list and get a Corvette piggy bank for funding mods and don't start tearing it apart until you can afford to put it back together!

Dude, you gotta look for bargains. The only thing I paid full price for was the cam kit and dual exhaust. Used headers, heads, roller rockers, and elbow grease on the intake. Start a list and get a Corvette piggy bank for funding mods and don't start tearing it apart until you can afford to put it back together!

How much do I need in the piggy bank before I pull the trigger.

How much do I need in the piggy bank before I pull the trigger.

That'll be answered when you figure out exactly what you want to do. Only then will you know how full piggy needs to be, grasshopper....

Budget crossfire build:
port intake manifold
torque convertor(which stall to get with a ported intake)?
gut the catilytic convertor
remove mufflers straight pipes
cold air mod

What would that get me? 14.5?

Budget crossfire build:
port intake manifold
torque convertor(which stall to get with a ported intake)?
gut the catilytic convertor
remove mufflers straight pipes
cold air mod

What would that get me? 14.5?

You're asking all the wrong questions. When he says "what you want to do" he means the results.

For example if you want to do low 14s, that is the result (as you state) then take recommendations as to how to get there.

What does this car run now? Any ideas?

That car was 15.1 off the floor. You're looking to pick up almost 1/2 second, that's a tall order for those mods I think.

You may want to consider extrude honing the intake, but that's not cheap.

IMO, if you pick up 3/10 with those mods it would be an accomplishment.

i have been looking online to add some performance to my 84 corvette, it is automatic with the z51 suspension and i only have a k&n filter. I was thinking about getting a cat back exhaust, maybe some lower ratio rear end gears. I have read about an intake called an x-ram but they don't make them anymore. Any ideas? I also need to get some new weatherstripping, where is the cheapest, it rains alot here.
step one! Port your intake manifold. Cost= $o.oo. It's the best bang for the buck for your '84.

Race on!!!

step one! Port your intake manifold. Cost= $o.oo. It's the best bang for the buck for your '84.

Race on!!!


Step two. After you find out your porting job netted you very little, put a Renegade on.

Step two. After you find out your porting job netted you very little, put a Renegade on.I THINK HE'S RIGHT, YOU'LL GET VERY LITTLE IF YOU ONLY DO HALF THE JOB, OR LESS. I NETTED 7/10 SECONDS IN THE 1/4 FROM PORTING ONLY, IF THAT ISN'T ENOUGH KEEP MODIFYING. I HAVE CUT BETTER THAN 2 SECONDS OFF MY 1/4 MILE ET FOR UNDER $1300.00.1450s ARE VERY DOABLE. I'VE RUN 13s.

RACE ON!!!

I THINK HE'S RIGHT, YOU'LL GET VERY LITTLE IF YOU ONLY DO HALF THE JOB, OR LESS. I NETTED 7/10 SECONDS IN THE 1/4 FROM PORTING ONLY, IF THAT ISN'T ENOUGH KEEP MODIFYING. I HAVE CUT BETTER THAN 2 SECONDS OFF MY 1/4 MILE ET FOR UNDER $1300.00.1450s ARE VERY DOABLE. I'VE RUN 13s.

RACE ON!!!


A Renegade right out of the box will out flow even the best of the ported Crossfires.

A Renegade right out of the box will out flow even the best of the ported Crossfires.

They gotta get them in the box before you can get "out of the box" performance :toocrazy:

They gotta get them in the box before you can get "out of the box" performance :toocrazy:


That's very true. Unless DCS is planning on sticking a shipping label on them and sending them to us U.P.S. Just be patient. They're coming. Trust me on this guys. They ARE coming.

Just be patient. They're coming. Trust me on this guys. They ARE coming.

Is that what you've been telling yourself about that 63? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

hey Vancouver! you are just down the highway from K-town. Welcome here! Did you purchase your ride from corvette specialties? They have some sweet drivers there and parts are resonable too , new and used.The first thing to do is order up some cataloges from the sponsors here and get a looksee at what aftermarket treats you can afford. I have four kids and a wife so life is expensive everwhere. Just tell your girl to get a second job to pay for the parts lol.

This all started out as a "hmm I think I'll port out the intake" project and has since snowballed. The gears are fine (for me) for now so I'll leave them be.

This is how it always starts! :rofl:

hey Vancouver! you are just down the highway from K-town. Welcome here! Did you purchase your ride from corvette specialties? They have some sweet drivers there and parts are resonable too , new and used.The first thing to do is order up some cataloges from the sponsors here and get a looksee at what aftermarket treats you can afford. I have four kids and a wife so life is expensive everwhere. Just tell your girl to get a second job to pay for the parts lol.

I bought it off a used car lot. Second job goood idea.

A Renegade right out of the box will out flow even the best of the ported Crossfires.

And the reviews by a third party that proves that can be found where???

And the reviews by a third party that proves that can be found where???

I read on the CFI forum that they are planning a party or a get together for the CF guys in Arizona. I am not sure if it is for the renegade guys or all the crossfire members on that forum. I guess you could call that a third party. I have read on there that there is quite a few crossfires in the 12's. Most are 383 crossfires.

a renegade right out of the box will out flow even the best of the ported crossfires.so what does a renegade flow, right out of the box? What does my manifold flow?

Race on!!!

so what does a renegade flow, right out of the box? What does my manifold flow?

Race on!!!


Your ported Crossfire probably flows about 20% more than a stock Crossfire and a Renegade will flow about double. How much area does your runners have after you ported them? What were the final dimensions of their height and width?

How about a extrude honed CFI? Anyone do that yet?

How about a extrude honed CFI? Anyone do that yet?


I have read a number of people have had that done but I don't know the results. I wouldn't think there would be much of a gain. Porting a Crossfire until the runner's walls are paper thin would be better but not nearly as good as starting off with full sized runners in the first place. Like DCS has done.

I read on the CFI forum that they are planning a party or a get together for the CF guys in Arizona. I am not sure if it is for the renegade guys or all the crossfire members on that forum. I guess you could call that a third party. I have read on there that there is quite a few crossfires in the 12's. Most are 383 crossfires.

So, in other words, no third party has done a side by side comparison of it versus stock and other manufacturers.

there that there is quite a few crossfires in the 12's. Most are 383 crossfires.

That's kinda like saying there are a lot of Red crossfires in the 12's. Is it because of the 383 and other components or the Red paint?

I have read about that intake on a few forums and to me it looks like a scam. Some people have payed up front a year ago and still don't have it. I read on another thread that a few intake manifolds were sent out to certain people. Nobody knows who these people are or if anybody even recieved one. I think there should be a red flag on this company. I hope they are not a vendor on this site.

I can assure you that it's NOT a scam and the company is legit. The ONLY reason it has taken so long is because of pattern issues/vendors.

I read on the CFI forum that they are planning a party or a get together for the CF guys in Arizona. I am not sure if it is for the renegade guys or all the crossfire members on that forum. I guess you could call that a third party. I have read on there that there is quite a few crossfires in the 12's. Most are 383 crossfires.

You obviously didn't read the posting on the CFI forum very well. The owner of the forum Ken is going on vacation and is coming out here to Phoenix for a day or two. I know Ken personally and is a friend. There are a lot of CF guys in the Phoenix area and plan on getting together to visit with Ken (meet and greet). This has nothing to do with the Renegade manifold or buyers.

btw, yes, there are a few CFs running in the 12s including our 84.:thumbsup3:

I believe that^. From what *I* can tell, there a two guys (at least) who have busted their butts to make this a reality.



Your ported Crossfire probably flows about 20% more than a stock Crossfire and a Renegade will flow about double. How much area does your runners have after you ported them? What were the final dimensions of their height and width?
Where did you come up with that data?

You obviously didn't read the posting on the CFI forum very well. The owner of the forum Ken is going on vacation and is coming out here to Phoenix for a day or two. I know Ken personally and is a friend. There are a lot of CF guys in the Phoenix area and plan on getting together to visit with Ken (meet and greet). This has nothing to do with the Renegade manifold or buyers.

btw, yes, there are a few CFs running in the 12s including our 84.:thumbsup3:

So, the 82 isn't running 12s? Lower or higher?

I can assure you that it's NOT a scam and the company is legit. The ONLY reason it has taken so long is because of pattern issues/vendors.

Could you nail down a rough date when these guys are getting the intake you are working on? One guy in particular is driving some of us nuts about this new renegade intake manifold. You have to feel for the guy he has been waiting over a year. Once you ship these intakes everything should be good. With no more renegade:catfight:.

I have looked at DCS website and it looks good the intake manifold. Maybe you have run into alot of problems with the first pattern maker. I have an 84 crossfire I bought in January. I got a good deal on. When your intake is shipped to tobroketoretire, he will give us his 2 cents. If he can give some 0-60 numbers and they show an improvement I will buy one of these intakes. I read it is a direct replacement so no other parts needed. How much would it cost to install a renegade? I don't have any good tools and no garage. And yes I park my vette out in the rain. I found this article while searching for crossfire hp.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0707gm_1984_chevy_corvette/index.html
With a renegade it should be somewhat close to these numbers, heck I would be happy with a 13 second crossfire.

i have looked at dcs website and it looks good the intake manifold. Maybe you have run into alot of problems with the first pattern maker. I have an 84 crossfire i bought in january. I got a good deal on. When your intake is shipped to tobroketoretire, he will give us his 2 cents. If he can give some 0-60 numbers and they show an improvement i will buy one of these intakes. I read it is a direct replacement so no other parts needed. How much would it cost to install a renegade? I don't have any good tools and no garage. And yes i park my vette out in the rain. I found this article while searching for crossfire hp.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0707gm_1984_chevy_corvette/index.html
with a renegade it should be somewhat close to these numbers, heck i would be happy with a 13 second crossfire.start porting!

Race on!!!

So this magical RENEGADE intake manifold now available to all Crossfire owners buy? So please tell me where i can buy one today? It must be because available some where because we where never supposed to talk about it again it tell is was, I think one of the AGENTS said so, but someone must have forgot!!
Port your stock intake and it will work, CFI-EFI has proved that many times over.
My BANNED button is in the shop being fixed so everyone is lucky today. But when i get it back the next one to say RENEGADE is.......
David Steele

So this magical RENEGADE intake manifold now available to all Crossfire owners buy? So please tell me where i can buy one today? It must be because available some where because we where never supposed to talk about it again it tell is was, I think one of the AGENTS said so, but someone must have forgot!!
Port your stock intake and it will work, CFI-EFI has proved that many times over.
My BANNED button is in the shop being fixed so everyone is lucky today. But when i get it back the next one to say RENEGADE is.......
David Steele


There's nothing "magical" about the Renegade. It is just a straight foreword re-design and a bolt-on replacement for the pitiful Crossfire.

tobroke!!!! the button!!!! don't do it!!!!

But to answer the question from the agent yes you can buy a you know what from DCS you can even pay with paypal.

tobroke!!!! The button!!!! Don't do it!!!!

But to answer the question from the agent yes you can buy a you know what from dcs you can even pay with paypal.ok, so you can order one and you can pay for it, but can they ship it? And can you install it? That is the meat of the problem.

Race on!!!

I went to the DCS website it said shipping date is July of 2009, A little more googling and found that not ONE renegade intake as ever been cast to this date only welded sheetmetal so far if this is tru where did the 33 RWHP numbers come from, It`s hard to dyno test something you dont have. So i emailed them and ask if i prepayed for 6 Renegade Crossfire Intake when can you ship . Waiting on there reply.
David

I went to the DCS website it said shipping date is July of 2009, A little more googling and found that not ONE renegade intake as ever been cast to this date only welded sheetmetal so far if this is tru where did the 33 RWHP numbers come from, It`s hard to dyno test something you dont have. So i emailed them and ask if i prepayed for 6 Renegade Crossfire Intake when can you ship . Waiting on there reply.
David


You obviously went to the wrong website. Go to www.crossfireinjection.net NEWS to get the complete run-down from start to present.

O.K.
I talked to Jim at DCS Friday and i Quoit:
"No Renegade manifolds have been cast or shipped yet(4/16/2010) should be casting in May and shipped by mid June, This depends on the Foundry's Schedule".
So I put a call in to the Foundry and still haven't heard back yet.
BOTTOM LINE: on one has a Renegade manifold, No one has tested a cast Renegade manifold on a running 82/84 Corvette so the HP numbers are just guessing, No one is getting a Renegade manifold anytime soon.
Any Questions?
David

PS. You can pay DCS with Pay Pal, at least that way you mite get your money back.

They have cast 4 "pre-production" test manifolds, but the production manifolds won't be coming until mid May.

I thought you said that they started "Full production" April 7?? Too broke , you are so FOS it's amazing. To wit:

3/16/10According to DCS, they're going to start casting them this week.


4/03/10 DCS recently told me they're casting several Renegades a week now so it shouldn't be very long before us early pre-buyers start getting ours.


4/07/10DCS just announced they're going into full production as soon as the foundry makes some minor adjustments to the molds.


4/08/10The Renegades exist and I'll be getting mine soon; probably within the next two weeks.


4/09/10Now that the Renegades are being cast, it shouldn't be too much longer. I would imagine I'll have one within the next two weeks.


4/10/10...their manifolds will be available soon. They started casting the production Renegades on April 7th.

...So, it's easy to see why you have zero credibility, toobroke.


THANKS to SCU for posting some legitimate info, and setting the record straight.

I thought you said that they started "Full production" April 7?? Too broke , you are so FOS it's amazing. To wit:

3/16/10


4/03/10


4/07/10


4/08/10


4/09/10


4/10/10

...So, it's easy to see why you have zero credibility, toobroke.


THANKS to SCU for posting some legitimate info, and setting the record straight.

Are you against the new intake or for it? I can't tell. Do you have a crossfire? What are your thoughts on this intake manifold? I know there isn't any dyno numbers yet. But from the pictures that we have all seen do you think it will produce decent hp and torque? From the pictures the runners on the new intake are larger and slightly shorter, so I would assume there would be less low end torque and good top end performance. What are your thoughts on it? Have you talked to the makers of the new intake and would you consider buying one. You seem to know a little bit about these crossfires. Just wondering what you think?

So this magical RENEGADE intake manifold now available to all Crossfire owners buy? So please tell me where i can buy one today? It must be because available some where because we where never supposed to talk about it again it tell is was, I think one of the AGENTS said so, but someone must have forgot!!
Port your stock intake and it will work, CFI-EFI has proved that many times over.
My BANNED button is in the shop being fixed so everyone is lucky today. But when i get it back the next one to say RENEGADE is.......
David Steele

Hey Dave let me know when you get your BANNED button working so I can send mine off to be fixed as well.:smilielol5:Got your message this morning I will try and give you a call. I called one day last week and they said you were out. Thanks man.:cheers:

I thought you said that they started "Full production" April 7?? Too broke , you are so FOS it's amazing. To wit:

3/16/10


4/03/10


4/07/10


4/08/10


4/09/10


4/10/10

...So, it's easy to see why you have zero credibility, toobroke.


THANKS to SCU for posting some legitimate info, and setting the record straight.


I'm only repeating what DCS tells me. DCS told me a week ago they have been casting them since of April 7th. But they also told me the foundry is only casting 1-2 per day.

Joe/Nelson/84-85/toobroke; you already know what I think.

I'm FOR this intake making to the public...whole heartedly.

I'm AGAINST people who are FOS, making claims that are dubious at best, but more likely outright bogus, and certainly based on nothing objective. People who try to make fact out of fiction.

As for how it will perform? Pure speculation. You already know that.

I'm only repeating what DCS tells me.You should stop. Let DCS speak for themselves. Only they can speak factually. YOU'RE claims, make DCS foolish.

EDIT: You know, the more that I think about it...I call bull chit on your claim. You're NOT "only repeating what DCS tells" you.
Did they ever tell you that you'd have your manifold in two weeks? No.
Did they tell you that their intake flows twice what a ported one flows? No.
Did they tell you that their intake is your "only option"? No.
I could go on and on with the crap that you've made up, which I am pretty certain DCS never told you.

100% of what you have said regarding this potential product is either total bull chit -completely manufactured by you, or total exaggeration based on a modicum evidence of truth. At any rate, nothing you have posted could in any way, HELP a fellow forum member who is genuinely questioning their CFI options. Once again, you should stop.

You obviously went to the wrong website. Go to www.crossfireinjection.net NEWS to get the complete run-down from start to present.

You've answered all your own questions and guesses as to ship date. You can go there as you already do to get updates. Most (if any) from here that have ordered it can get updates direct from that website or the manufactures website. For the 3rd time today I will post they (DCS) is NOT a vendor here. If you want to discuss results when they are in the hands of the buyers thats fine. The specific dates of delivery can be discussed there, along with all the problems they've had with foundry's or whatever.

Renagade threads are old ! There are NO results yet to be discussed about the intake. All you can do is guess. End of story!

Furthermore I'll just start closing the "R" threads since they are useless until they are in the hands of the buyers.

TBTR you seem to want to keep these useless threads alive which IMO are just a form of advertising for them.

Any member can easily click on the search button and type in Renagade and they will get a ton of threads to read about the "guesses" at what the results may be or even where to get it. So lets just leave it at that...:thumbsup:

So if people have their renegades can they post about them once they have them? I was going to order one, so would I be able to post in this forum once I have one? Or no renegade posts at all?

If you want to discuss results when they are in the hands of the buyers thats fine.

You might want to read the post above yours.

So if people have their renegades can they post about them once they have them? I was going to order one, so would I be able to post in this forum once I have one? Or no renegade posts at all?

So if people have their renegades can they post about them once they have them? I was going to order one, so would I be able to post in this forum once I have one? Or no renegade posts at all?

Of course! Thats what we want to see.

The problem at this point is there is no data and they are not produced yet. So all thats going on is the debate over what hp will be and you've got TBTR that has taken it upon himself to promote a product that is not yet produced, and feels it necessary to update every few days. It should be left in the hands of DCS, so all updates should be provided by them and only them. They promote there products on there own website along with the CFI forum. The promotion of there products is not here unless they want to be a vendor. I'm talking only the selling of it. The discussion of the results can certainly be discussed.

Wouldn't you want to see what other members are getting when they install the intake? Not just what the manufacture says it does? How many times have you been told "oh add this and you'll gain xxx hp?" from the manufacturer? When real results from another member are typically more accurate? Whether its dyno or ET, those are real results.

Thanks slrvette for clearing that up. I am curious to see what this intake does so I think I will definately buy one once people on here actually get one. What else em I goin to do with this 26 year old car.

Damn!

Does that mean I can't do a pre-sale of my carbon fiber hood seal for the C4 here does it? :smilielol5:

I haven't designed it yet but I'm sure it'll be good for at least 40 HP since the rubber one for the C5 is at least 15 HP.

Of course! Thats what we want to see.

The problem at this point is there is no data and they are not produced yet. So all thats going on is the debate over what hp will be and you've got TBTR that has taken it upon himself to promote a product that is not yet produced, and feels it necessary to update every few days. It should be left in the hands of DCS, so all updates should be provided by them and only them. They promote there products on there own website along with the CFI forum. The promotion of there products is not here unless they want to be a vendor. I'm talking only the selling of it. The discussion of the results can certainly be discussed.

Wouldn't you want to see what other members are getting when they install the intake? Not just what the manufacture says it does? How many times have you been told "oh add this and you'll gain xxx hp?" from the manufacturer? When real results from another member are typically more accurate? Whether its dyno or ET, those are real results.

Damn!

Does that mean I can't do a pre-sale of my carbon fiber hood seal for the C4 here does it? :smilielol5:

I haven't designed it yet but I'm sure it'll be good for at least 40 HP since the rubber one for the C5 is at least 15 HP.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

i have had an 84 vette for about a month and i have added a hyper chip k&n filter and flowtech raptor catback exhaust system its got a deep tone at low speeds and nice and quiet at highway speeds. I had put flowmaster on it at first but then i could not nearly hear myself think while driving it. way to much drone on the inside of the car. i will soon be changing out the gearing in the rear end sometime in the near future.

i have had an 84 vette for about a month and i have added a hyper chip k&n filter and flowtech raptor catback exhaust system its got a deep tone at low speeds and nice and quiet at highway speeds. I had put flowmaster on it at first but then i could not nearly hear myself think while driving it. way to much drone on the inside of the car. i will soon be changing out the gearing in the rear end sometime in the near future.
Sounds good so far, are you going to buy one of those new intake manifolds? Or maybe try your hand at porting? keep us posted.