O.K. What seals or gaskets do we need and where is the best place to get the seals for this switch over to the renegade intake manifold? I will be installing 2" throttle bodies also so how many seals and gaskets do I need and does anybody have a part number. What is the easiest what to switch it over and is there any short cuts.

O.K. What seals or gaskets do we need and where is the best place to get the seals for this switch over to the renegade intake manifold? I will be installing 2" throttle bodies also so how many seals and gaskets do I need and does anybody have a part number. What is the easiest what to switch it over and is there any short cuts.

Doesn't the manufacturer of the product have directions? and/or gaskets for the product? Maybe the question should be directed to them?

Doesn't the manufacturer of the product have directions? and/or gaskets for the product? Maybe the question should be directed to them?

I agree. It ought to come w/all the required gaskets and instructions.

The 2" TB's will do nothing to improve power on your stock(ish) engines, FYI. You may want to skip that step in the interest of simplicity.

For a guy that isn't clever enough to fill the gas tank without instructions, (every time), I'm not sure what good short cuts would be. For gaskets and seals go the the local Gasket and Seals store. Surely there is someone in all of Montana you can hire to do this for you. Or is it Canada this week? Possibly they all know you.

"The 2" TB's will do nothing to improve power on your stock(ish) engines, FYI. You may want to skip that step in the interest of simplicity."

There is little point in confusing the issue with facts. Simplicity IS the main theme, here. :smilielol5:

RACE ON!!!

Oh Lord...So help me I'm going to go out and buy something with a Crossfire motor just so I can have a place to put the new Renegade Manny-Fold.
Never in my life have I seen such unbridled enthusiasm for a product...well, except maybe for Viagra..!!!
I still say you guys need to find Girl Friends..!!!

Oh Lord...So help me I'm going to go out and buy something with a Crossfire motor just so I can have a place to put the new Renegade Manny-Fold.
Never in my life have I seen such unbridled enthusiasm for a product...well, except maybe for Viagra..!!!
I still say you guys need to find Girl Friends..!!!

I have a women, look to the left.

For a guy that isn't clever enough to fill the gas tank without instructions, (every time), I'm not sure what good short cuts would be. For gaskets and seals go the the local Gasket and Seals store. Surely there is someone in all of Montana you can hire to do this for you. Or is it Canada this week? Possibly they all know you.

"The 2" TB's will do nothing to improve power on your stock(ish) engines, FYI. You may want to skip that step in the interest of simplicity."

There is little point in confusing the issue with facts. Simplicity IS the main theme, here. :smilielol5:

RACE ON!!!

Tom400cfi had a good post you are just trying to get your post count up and add nothing to this thread as always. This is renegade week so you should take this week off like your buddy. Don't bother posting in my threads. I ask question about my cars and you are not helping. I think you need a girlfriend, mongo was directing that to you.

For a guy that isn't clever enough to fill the gas tank without instructions, (every time), I'm not sure what good short cuts would be. For gaskets and seals go the the local Gasket and Seals store. Surely there is someone in all of Montana you can hire to do this for you. Or is it Canada this week? Possibly they all know you.

"The 2" TB's will do nothing to improve power on your stock(ish) engines, FYI. You may want to skip that step in the interest of simplicity."

There is little point in confusing the issue with facts. Simplicity IS the main theme, here. :smilielol5:

RACE ON!!!

Tom400cfi had a good post you are just trying to get your post count up and add nothing to this thread as always. This is renegade week so you should take this week off like your buddy. Don't bother posting in my threads. I ask question about my cars and you are not helping. I think you need a girlfriend, mongo was directing that to you.

:nono: :leaving:

The small 1.781" throttle bodies used on the Crossfire 350" engines are too small to pass enough air to feed a stock 350" engine above 4000 rpm. Rated at 520 cfm, they are adequate to feed a stock 305" engine, but not a 350". Then to make matters worse, they were put on a manifold that only flowed 475 cfm. So when used with a stock Crossfire manifold, the larger 2.0" bored throttle bodies won't help at all.

But with the Renegade, the 2.0" throttle bodies will be a worthwhile addition. Because when used in conjunction with the Renegade, the 350" engine will have more than enough air flow to run up to 6000 rpm. The Renegade manifold, when used with the 2.0" bodred throttle bodies, will work very well with a 350" engine.

Only part of that theory is correct. The Renegade MAY have (yet TBD) enough flow to support a 350 up to 6k. But the rest of the engine won't. My reply was in reference to 84-85Lwhatever saying that he is going to use 2" TB's. In past posts, he's listed his mods...most of which are useless. So basically he's got a stock motor. A great intake (assuming the Renegade is one) alone, does not make a stock long block into a "6000 RPM screamer". The heads, CAM, exhaust, become the limiting factor for airflow, RPM and HP.

Again: 2" TB's on a stockish engine will make ZERO difference. I've already been down this road, and can tell you from experience. Not worth it until you're over 300 HP.

FYI, A 350 engine at 6000 RPM, 80% VE, consumes 486 CFM. The stock TB's are MORE than sufficient for that.

I was going to use 2" TB's because I got them free with an x-ram I bought from a other forum member. He just wanted to get rid of his crossfire stuff. For a couple hundred he gave me a new x-ram, 2" TB's, fuel pressure gauge, a tool for adjusting the fuel pressure, an extra stock crossfire intake manifold, and some other extra pieces. He went to a carb. So he wanted to dump the rest of his crossfire. Whats wrong with throwing on the 2" TB's if they are free and already setup to be adjustable.

I will be installing this new intake(renegade) myself.

Anybody want to buy the x-ram?:seeya:

Even your motor doesn't top 85% VE, I'm sure. ESPECIALLY at 6000 RPM, well past the torque peak. Stock engine's peak VE is probably closer to 75%. Which is why a 5.7L makes 205 crank hp on a good day.

Which is easier 85 fuel pump or that inline thing?

A while back people were changing their fuel lines from rubber to metal, now they just change the fuel pump to an 85. I am going to have to change that one of these days.

The "85" fuel pump (basically any GM MPFI fuel pump) is a direct replacement. Doesn't get much easier than that.

Why will you have to change that one of these days?

FYI, there are much better pumps that you can use than a stock/replacement pump for a MPFI application. I used the popular Walbro 255 LPH pump in mine, which hedged my fueling needs for future mods.

The "85" fuel pump (basically any GM MPFI fuel pump) is a direct replacement. Doesn't get much easier than that.

Why will you have to change that one of these days?

FYI, there are much better pumps that you can use than a stock/replacement pump for a MPFI application. I used the popular Walbro 255 LPH pump in mine, which hedged my fueling needs for future mods.

Everyone else has changed their fuel pump and says it improve upper rpm performance.

Then either they could have diagnosed that w/a FP gauge and a quick test...or they're victim to the "placebo effect"....prbably the latter.

I didn't change my pump until I had substantial mods. I proved that I needed it by using a FP gauge and watching the FP pressure drop as the throttle opened.

Then either they could have diagnosed that w/a FP gauge and a quick test...or they're victim to the "placebo effect"....prbably the latter.

I didn't change my pump until I had substantial mods. I proved that I needed it by using a FP gauge and watching the FP pressure drop as the throttle opened.


Absolutely right! I've seen to many people just change it because they hear its this great improvement.... not on a stock CFI. Of course the other one I love is ...o... adjust your fuel pressure up to 14psi. Never agreed with that one either unless you start modding.

So you figure with the extra air with the new intake manifold I don't need the extra fuel pressure? Will the stock 84 pump do the job?

Changing the fuel pump isn't going to change your pressure, one ounce...unless your current pump can't keep up w/the demand of the motor. Only one way to find that out: put a gauge on it and run it WOT. If the pressure drops, you need a pump. If not, a pump won't do any thing other than lighten your wallet.

I "Figure" that you'll need progressively more fuel, the higher you go in the RPM range. The fisrt way I would address that is to take it to a strip or a dyno, with a FP gauge hooked up, and start making passes or pulls. Once you get good enough to get consistent, start adjusting your FP on your stock (lightly modded) fuel pressure regulator, one pound at a time, and see what YOUR engine "likes" best. "Feed it what it wants".

The fact is, nobody can arbitrarily "figure" what your car will want now OR after the intake. No one knows...including you! Put some gauges on it. Measure some stuff. Then you won't even have to ask. The measures will tell you what you need to know.

So you figure with the extra air with the new intake manifold I don't need the extra fuel pressure? Will the stock 84 pump do the job?


The stock '84 fuel pump won't do the job on a stock '84 engine in the first place, so use a '85 fuel pump. It is a direct replacement and costs about the same. When do you expect to get your Renegade? I have heard of them and I'm thinking about ordering one for my '82 because I also have the Crossfire Injection.

I'm thinking about ordering one for my '82 because I also have the Crossfire Injection.
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07-14-2009
You getting so desperate you are reviving a post that is 14 months old?

No doubt.

Furthermore, what you posted is wrong anyway. A properly functioning stock 84 pump is perfectly sufficient for a stock or stockish '84 motor. Evidence of that is CFI-EFI running into the 13's on his stock and original pump. I went mid 14's/95 on mine....which is WAY faster than "stock". Stock fuel pump, like any fuel pump, works fine when functioning as designed.

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07-14-2009
You getting so desperate you are reviving a post that is 14 months old?

I completely agree!..
Believe he trying to get this some attention.
Wont even waste my breathe giving any other response that
All this is old news!:thumbsup3:

I have a friend with an '82. All he did was pull the cross-fire manifold and installed a Performer RPM intake and 650 Holley and now runs 13's. Just do it!....:rockon6rk:

HUH? Just do what?

I know a guy who ported his Crossfire intake and went 13's. Which is better?

P.S.; There is NO WAY, an intake and carb ONLY car went 13's. Not happening.

I completely agree!..
Believe he trying to get this some attention.
Wont even waste my breathe giving any other response that
All this is old news!:thumbsup3:

How 'bout we lock'er up?

HUH? Just do what?

I know a guy who ported his Crossfire intake and went 13's. Which is better?

P.S.; There is NO WAY, an intake and carb ONLY car went 13's. Not happening.

Not trying to start a fight...just give options. Glen has an '82 that with just the above and 1.6 rockers went high 13's. Just the messenger. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/members/43389-glensgages.html

Fair enough. Except looking at his profile that you linked, it looks like intake, carb, rockers, gears. My point is that you can get the same results w/o spending the $700+ on an intake and carb while maintaining the benfits of EFI and stock appearance. I'd guess that you aren't aware of that and I'd guess that's because you haven't owned or at least modified one...

So I don't know why you'd give your opinion advising someone to spend mroe than they need to, loose functionality, and drivability...all to gain that which can be gained from the stock system.

Fair enough. Except looking at his profile that you linked, it looks like intake, carb, rockers, gears. My point is that you can get the same results w/o spending the $700+ on an intake and carb while maintaining the benfits of EFI and stock appearance. I'd guess that you aren't aware of that and I'd guess that's because you haven't owned or at least modified one...

So I don't know why you'd give your opinion advising someone to spend mroe than they need to, loose functionality, and drivability...all to gain that which can be gained from the stock system.
Well, I've owned a Corvette service business since 1987, so I have seen my share of '82's and 84's. I have owned an '84, in addition to dozens of other Corvettes. The reality of it is the folks that are buying the '82's and '84's today want easy performance gains, and an engine that they can easily work on. As the TBI throttle bodies wear out, and the electronics start to break down, some owners are looking at their options. Pretty much the same reasons owners of Fuelie and Tri-Power (3X2) Corvettes pulled them and installed a single 4-barrel carb. That being said, I have no problems with someone wanting to keep one original.:thumbsup3:

Not trying to start a fight...just give options. Glen has an '82 that with just the above and 1.6 rockers went high 13's. Just the messenger. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/members/43389-glensgages.html

I think I would have to agree with Big G, the crossfire system was a crappy system that was introduced to keep the corvette going until the tpi came out. Don't waste your time with CFI, its 14 second car at best, change to carb or TPI like I did. Some people claim that the crossfire does this or that but it is still crap, you can't polish a terd. Just flush it. And don't bother with the X-ram or the renegade, they hit a dead end and then you will just end up spending more money on a stealth ram or a super ram.

Here is a tissue for all you poor bastards still running a crossfire:crybaby:

I think I would have to agree with Big G, the crossfire system was a crappy system that was introduced to keep the corvette going until the tpi came out. Don't waste your time with CFI, its 14 second car at best, change to carb or TPI like I did. Some people claim that the crossfire does this or that but it is still crap, you can't polish a terd. Just flush it. And don't bother with the X-ram or the renegade, they hit a dead end and then you will just end up spending more money on a stealth ram or a super ram.

Here is a tissue for all you poor bastards still running a crossfire:crybaby:


I put a Renegade on my '82 and I'm perfectly happy with it. It gave me the performance increase above 4000 rpm that I was wanting. I don't run my car at the drag strip so I could care less how fast it runs the 1/4 mile. I just wanted better passing performance on the highway.

I think I would have to agree with Big G, the crossfire system was a crappy system that was introduced to keep the corvette going until the tpi came out. Don't waste your time with CFI, its 14 second car at best, change to carb or TPI like I did. Some people claim that the crossfire does this or that but it is still crap, you can't polish a terd. Just flush it. And don't bother with the X-ram or the renegade, they hit a dead end and then you will just end up spending more money on a stealth ram or a super ram.

Here is a tissue for all you poor bastards still running a crossfire:crybaby:

Ok, I know this may cause a stink, but I feel compelled to reply and stand up for the honor of the CF crowd. I totally disagree with you about a CF being crap. I do agree that it was a stop gap system until the TPI motor came out in 85 and beyond, but that’s it.

Most people that own a CF and can't make it run, don't really understand the system and how it works, get frustrated and move onto something they feel more comfortable with like a carb and try and make it work for them, some can’t even do that successfully. Others move on to an EFI system, which is also fine if that’s what you want to do and more power to you for trying that route in pursuit of more power. Now with that said, you still can make the CF run well with a little know how, plus it’s a very reliable system really once it’s set up properly.

There are various setups of a CF that people choose, a stocker that is tweaked to make it run nicely and still maintain the stock look, this is probably the 14 second car you refer to. The modded 355 version is a popular one with heads, cam, gear and fuel changes for those that want a little more and then there's the crazy CF guys like me that want even more out of CF, just because we can and move to a 383 CF or higher.

Now from a performance standpoint, you would have to agree that a 96 C4 LT4 runs pretty good box stock with 330HP and when the C5 came out in 97 it made about 20HP more and was a nice running car with good power…right? Now, with that said I have no problem going up against a stock C5 in my lowly CF depending on my mode at the time and then watching their face as I pass them, mine runs pretty damn good...for a CFI motor, no power adders, just plain old "crap" CFI. Is it stock? Nope! But it is CFI none the less.

So I guess what I'm getting at is this...what does "crap" mean to you? Mine is certainly not a 14 second car. Most stock C5s run 13.4 – 13.6 or there abouts, so I feel good when I beat them with old technology...because I can. :sm_party: I just hope the modded C5 guys don’t reply to this saying there’s no way a CF will beat a C5…blah, blah, blah. You’re probably right, BUT Ben in Australia is running 12.4 with his lowly CF motor with NO power adders. His “crap” CF is running pretty damn nice IMO.  Ok, I’ll get off my Soap Box now…thanks!

Ok, I know this may cause a stink, but I feel compelled to reply and stand up for the honor of the CF crowd. I totally disagree with you about a CF being crap. I do agree that it was a stop gap system until the TPI motor came out in 85 and beyond, but that’s it.

Most people that own a CF and can't make it run, don't really understand the system and how it works, get frustrated and move onto something they feel more comfortable with like a carb and try and make it work for them, some can’t even do that successfully. Others move on to an EFI system, which is also fine if that’s what you want to do and more power to you for trying that route in pursuit of more power. Now with that said, you still can make the CF run well with a little know how, plus it’s a very reliable system really once it’s set up properly.

There are various setups of a CF that people choose, a stocker that is tweaked to make it run nicely and still maintain the stock look, this is probably the 14 second car you refer to. The modded 355 version is a popular one with heads, cam, gear and fuel changes for those that want a little more and then there's the crazy CF guys like me that want even more out of CF, just because we can and move to a 383 CF or higher.

Now from a performance standpoint, you would have to agree that a 96 C4 LT4 runs pretty good box stock with 330HP and when the C5 came out in 97 it made about 20HP more and was a nice running car with good power…right? Now, with that said I have no problem going up against a stock C5 in my lowly CF depending on my mode at the time and then watching their face as I pass them, mine runs pretty damn good...for a CFI motor, no power adders, just plain old "crap" CFI. Is it stock? Nope! But it is CFI none the less.

So I guess what I'm getting at is this...what does "crap" mean to you? Mine is certainly not a 14 second car. Most stock C5s run 13.4 – 13.6 or there abouts, so I feel good when I beat them with old technology...because I can. :sm_party: I just hope the modded C5 guys don’t reply to this saying there’s no way a CF will beat a C5…blah, blah, blah. You’re probably right, BUT Ben in Australia is running 12.4 with his lowly CF motor with NO power adders. His “crap” CF is running pretty damn nice IMO.  Ok, I’ll get off my Soap Box now…thanks!

You went to all the trouble of running a 383 and you stuck with a crossfire? That takes some big plums. Why not finish it off with a carb?

you went to all the trouble of running a 383 and you stuck with a crossfire? That takes some big plums. why not finish it off with a carb?why???

race on!!!

why???

race on!!!


I agree. There is NOTHING wrong with a CFI as it'll do everything a carb can do and more. Mine has been very reliable in the 22 years I've owned my '82. I have never even taken my injectors out.

Unfortunately, there's no reason to go to a carb when I can get as much or more from my "crap" CF TBs and ecm tune. Jus sayin' :thumbsup3:

Unfortunately, there's no reason to go to a carb when I can get as much or more from my "crap" CF TBs and ecm tune. Jus sayin' :thumbsup3:

Is there any data out their that would tell me how quick a crossfire is in the 1/4 mile with certain mods? Which is the best route to go with a crossfire? Renegade? X-ram? The renegade does look better from a design stand point than the x-ram. The only thing I have read is the stock performance of a crossfire that ranges from 15.1 to 15.5. But where could a guy look for performance mods on a crossfire with actual numbers? That one guy Dominic worked over his crossfire and I think he said he went about a 14.2 with heads cam porting the intake, headers. But thats about it?

Where are the makers of the renegade where are the numbers on it?

Is there any data out their that would tell me how quick a crossfire is in the 1/4 mile with certain mods? Which is the best route to go with a crossfire? Renegade? X-ram?
Where are the makers of the renegade where are the numbers on it?

My take on it is that if the dyno numbers were good, the units would have already been selling like hotcakes. I'm guessing the manufacturer(s) might not be too proud of the results.

My take on it is that if the dyno numbers were good, the units would have already been selling like hotcakes. I'm guessing the manufacturer(s) might not be too proud of the results.

I assure you if we were bummed about the performance, we wouldn't be having (hosting) the Phoenix dyno shootout in February.

is there any data out their that would tell me how quick a crossfire is in the 1/4 mile with certain mods? Which is the best route to go with a crossfire? Renegade? X-ram? The renegade does look better from a design stand point than the x-ram. The only thing i have read is the stock performance of a crossfire that ranges from 15.1 to 15.5. But where could a guy look for performance mods on a crossfire with actual numbers? That one guy dominic worked over his crossfire and i think he said he went about a 14.2 with heads cam porting the intake, headers. But thats about it?

Where are the makers of the renegade where are the numbers on it?
back in the day of dominic's peak results, i was running similar times as dominic was, for much less investment than he had. He and i met for dinner one evening.

Race on!!!
Jim

Is there any data out their that would tell me how quick a crossfire is in the 1/4 mile with certain mods? Which is the best route to go with a crossfire? Renegade? X-ram? The renegade does look better from a design stand point than the x-ram. The only thing I have read is the stock performance of a 8crossfire that ranges from 15.1 to 15.5. But where could a guy look for performance mods on a crossfire with actual numbers? That one guy Dominic worked over his crossfire and I think he said he went about a 14.2 with heads cam porting the intake, headers. But thats about it?

Where are the makers of the renegade where are the numbers on it?

LOL... crossram / 85/84 / The Mouse
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unfortunately, there's no reason to go to a carb when i can get as much or more from my "crap" cf tbs and ecm tune. Jus sayin' :thumbsup3:
two weeks ago, i bought a 1984 with a 650 holley double humper, that turned out to be a dog compared to my home ported stock crossfire intake a carb DEFINITELY isn't the answer!

Race on!!!
Jim

I agree and there are only a handful of carb guys that have made their L83 CF-Less motor run ok IMO, most FAIL, but they still think it's better. :doh:

LOL... crossram / 85/84 / The Mouse

Really!?...Really? C'mon dude, just stop this none sense posting will ya? Ugh! (just to clarify, whoever you are...Nelson)

I agree and there are only a handful of carb guys that have made their L83 CF-Less motor run ok IMO, most FAIL, but they still think it's better. :doh:


Really!?...Really? C'mon dude, just stop this none sense posting will ya? Ugh! (just to clarify, whoever you are...Nelson)


By the way EvilC3, I really like my new intake. Thanks a bunch for hanging in there and getting them produced for us CFI guys.

LOL... crossram / 85/84 / The Mouse
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crossram
Nelson
Joe Dirt
renegadevette
cfiefisux
Kennypowers
etc., etc.

Exactly. Once again....people have taken the time to post sincere responces to this f'n retard. Posts and time, wasted.

crossram
Nelson
Joe Dirt
renegadevette
cfiefisux
Kennypowers
etc., etc.

Exactly. Once again....people have taken the time to post sincere responces to this f'n retard. Posts and time, wasted.


I have actually grown to like his zany sense of humor and ridiculous posts.

two weeks ago, i bought a 1984 with a 650 holley double humper, that turned out to be a dog compared to my home ported stock crossfire intake a carb DEFINITELY isn't the answer!

Race on!!!
Jim

Are you then implying that the factory cross-fire is better than a properly tuned intake and carb. set-up? I have been doing this a looooong time, and no one has yet made more power with fuel injection than a carb., everything else being equal.

Now, with that said I have no problem going up against a stock C5 in my lowly CF depending on my mode at the time and then watching their face as I pass them, mine runs pretty damn good...for a CFI motor, no power adders, just plain old "crap" CFI. Is it stock? Nope! But it is CFI none the less.

So I guess what I'm getting at is this...what does "crap" mean to you? Mine is certainly not a 14 second car. Most stock C5s run 13.4 – 13.6 or there abouts, so I feel good when I beat them with old technology...because I can. :sm_party: I just hope the modded C5 guys don’t reply to this saying there’s no way a CF will beat a C5…blah, blah, blah. You’re probably right, BUT Ben in Australia is running 12.4 with his lowly CF motor with NO power adders. His “crap” CF is running pretty damn nice IMO.  Ok, I’ll get off my Soap Box now…thanks!

Sounds like you have it running pretty good. You got a dyno graph you can post up?

Sounds like you have it running pretty good. You got a dyno graph you can post up?

A renegade dyno graph?:lurk:

Are you then implying that the factory cross-fire is better than a properly tuned intake and carb. set-up? I have been doing this a looooong time, and no one has yet made more power with fuel injection than a carb., everything else being equal.

I hope he isn't implying that a crossfire will out run a carb, that sounds like crazy talk.

A renegade dyno graph?:lurk:

A before and after would be of more value, but I'll settle for a dyno graph of his Corvette. A stock crossfire is about 160 RWHP.

two weeks ago, i bought a 1984 with a 650 holley double humper, that turned out to be a dog compared to my home ported stock crossfire intake a carb DEFINITELY isn't the answer!

Race on!!!
Jim

Whats the VIN do you have documented proof that a carb equiped vette turns out to be a dog. Where are your time slips? Dyno numbers? Is it even a vette? Sounds like apples to oranges comparison.:DeadHorse:

I have been doing this a looooong time, and no one has yet made more power with fuel injection than a carb., everything else being equal.

HUH?? (again). Please. Don't stop there....

HUH?? (again). Please. Don't stop there....

Just a statement. No need to elaborate. (Unless you wish to)

whats the vin do you have documented proof that a carb equiped vette turns out to be a dog. Where are your time slips? Dyno numbers? Is it even a vette? Sounds like apples to oranges comparison.:deadhorse:

YES. A1984 CORVETTE. What would a VIN prove? I don't contend that chevy built it that way. No time slips, it was too weak to waste an entry fee on . My S.O.T.P. Evaluation ought to be as valid as any/every one else's. I will have my "new" red 1987 L98 to the track this Wednesday. It feels pretty strong, I'm guessing it will run a 14 ALL STOCK. Slower than the home ported crossfire equipped vorfire. But quicker than a 15. We'll see.

Race on!!!

YES. A1984 CORVETTE. What would a VIN prove? I don't contend that chevy built it that way. No time slips, it was too weak to waste an entry fee on . My S.O.T.P. Evaluation ought to be as valid as any/every one else's. I will have my "new" red 1987 L98 to the track this Wednesday. It feels pretty strong, I'm guessing it will run a 14 ALL STOCK. Slower than the home ported crossfire equipped vorfire. But quicker than a 15. We'll see.

Race on!!!

A TPI!!!!!!! Are you going to work the L98 over? Or keep it stock. Any big plans?

a tpi!!!!!!! Are you going to work the l98 over? Or keep it stock. Any big plans?
yes, a TPI,I am hanging my head in shame. No plans for any modifications to the TPI, the Vorfire will remain the faster of the two.

Race on!!!
Jim

yes, a TPI,I am hanging my head in shame. No plans for any modifications to the TPI, the Vorfire will remain the faster of the two.

Race on!!!
Jim


Well, I got lost somewhere along the line. Are you saying you now have 2 Corvettes? A Crossfire and a TPI?

well, i got lost somewhere along the line. Are you saying you now have 2 corvettes? A crossfire and a tpi?
As of about two weeks ago, yes. I just bought the '87. I took the '87 to the track last night and it ran a 15.65, slower than the crossfire (vorfire).

Race on!!!

As of about two weeks ago, yes. I just bought the '87. I took the '87 to the track last night and it ran a 15.65, slower than the crossfire (vorfire).

Race on!!!

I envy you , I wish I could take mine to the track!:beerbang:

As of about two weeks ago, yes. I just bought the '87. I took the '87 to the track last night and it ran a 15.65, slower than the crossfire (vorfire).

Race on!!!


It sounds like you need to put a 3600 rpm stall converter in it like your Vorfire has. That'll wake it up.

It sounds like you need to put a 3600 rpm stall converter in it like your Vorfire has. That'll wake it up.
you guys will never get it right. once again, the vorfire has a 2600 rpm stall converter.

race on!!!

I envy you , I wish I could take mine to the track!:beerbang:

why envy? just do it!

race on!!!