In the august 2009 issue of corvette fever, there is a new deal that lets you tune your TPI without changing chips and reprogramming your chip. It is also suppose to change the earlier tpi cars from batch fire to sequential like the later models. It also gives you more power on the top end where the tpi quits.

It is made by weswoodperformance.com.

Has anybody heard of this or have it installed?

In the august 2009 issue of corvette fever, there is a new deal that lets you tune your TPI without changing chips and reprogramming your chip. It is also suppose to change the earlier tpi cars from batch fire to sequential like the later models. It also gives you more power on the top end where the tpi quits.

It is made by weswoodperformance.com.

Has anybody heard of this or have it installed?
P.T. Barnum must have had you in mind when he made his famous quote.

P.T. Barnum must have had you in mind when he made his famous quote.

Do you have it installed or have you heard of this? If no, why do you continue to post on my threads? I don't think a guy with a high 14 second car should comment on performance.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ownedbutton:

Do you have it installed or have you heard of this? If no, why do you continue to post on my threads?
If I do or don't, what does that have to do with my comment concerning the P.T. Barnum quote? Is this post by you is to further demonstrate your lack of comprehension skills? If so, you have once again succeeded.



I don't think a guy with a high 14 second car should comment on performance.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ownedbutton:
We know you don't think. What should a guy that can't keep up with the guy you are commenting on, comment on? More delusional fantasies???

RACE ON!!!

In the august 2009 issue of corvette fever, there is a new deal that lets you tune your TPI without changing chips and reprogramming your chip. It is also suppose to change the earlier tpi cars from batch fire to sequential like the later models. It also gives you more power on the top end where the tpi quits.

It is made by weswoodperformance.com.

Has anybody heard of this or have it installed?

First I've heard of it. You know why its the first I've heard of it??? Because it's not available yet. If you would have checked out the WEBSITE, you'd know that. That little abbreviation that says price "TBD"... that means no price has been set for it yet, which means no one can buy it yet, which means no one is USING it yet! Kinda like another certain magical "high performance" part that's been (and still being) bantered about around here. Oh yeah, I forget, you know things others dont about mythical, unavailable, or obscure performance parts. Besides all that, I dont know why anyone would think that a retuned chip and changing the injector sequences alone would improve the top end performance of a TPI motor... it's not a tune, fuel, or ignition problem that limits top end performance in the first place... its the long intake runners and small runner diameter. Great for low end torque, terrible for top end performance. There's no computer gimmick that will fix that problem all by itself.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

At least it made it into a magazine. I was just looking for feedback on this product. I think the HP gain was from doing a proper tune on his tired old TPI and just getting it setup right. They never gave a before and after HP.

I lOVE FREE SPEECH but not BRATTY CHILDREN!

I'M GETTING PISSED AT PEOPLE STALKING OTHER'S POSTS AND SCREWING UP THREADS THAT COULD BE INTERESTING WITH THEIR PETTY LITTLE SQUABBLES!:catfight:

If this keeps up I HOPE THIS HAPPENS :banned:
:soapbox:

THE TOPIC WAS in a well respected magazine and DESERVES further rational inquiry!

I lOVE FREE SPEECH but not BRATTY CHILDREN!

I'M GETTING PISSED AT PEOPLE STALKING OTHER'S POSTS AND SCREWING UP THREADS THAT COULD BE INTERESTING WITH THEIR PETTY LITTLE SQUABBLES!:catfight:

If this keeps up I HOPE THIS HAPPENS :banned:
:soapbox:

THE TOPIC WAS in a well respected magazine and DESERVES further rational inquiry!

Okay, well, I DID MAKE A RATIONAL INQUIRY to Weswood Performance via Email, and also TOOK THE TIME TO LOOK at their website for information. The Digispark is not available yet. A price has not even been set yet, because TESTING HAS NOT EVEN BEEN COMPLETED YET!! Believe it or not, some of us like to deal in hard fast FACTUAL evidence that a product actually does what it claims to do...NOT what someone HOPES it will do, based on some manufacturer's hyped up claims. That info is a bit hard to come by when the product isnt even out of the testing phase yet. I'm sure we'll all hear more about it, after all it IS a cool breakthrough to see a "user tuneable" system being made available for the C4 (although the company itself says it's not going to be something that just anyone will be able to do).

Straight off the website:

This is not a “Plug & Play” kit. For most mechanics, the Digispark Kit will be easy to install. The basic tune file loaded in the PCM is a safe tune for a very mildly modified TPI / L-98 engine. But, to optimize your engine combination additional tuning will be required. The basic tune file loaded in the PCM will get the engine started and allow easy tuning for drivability using software included in the kit. Tuning for maximum power will require a dyno and a wide band O2 sensor.
While the Digispark Kit is not difficult to install and electronic / software tuning is not difficult, our kit is not the best way for you if you have no experience with software tuning files or if you have limited engine modification experience. If this is the case and you really want the capabilities offered by our kit; you should consider looking for a nearby aftermarket EFI installer / tuner. Or, if you can get your car to us, we would be happy to do the installation / tuning for you. Our contact information is elsewhere in this website.

The "petty little squabbles" you seem so quick to start b!tching about are nothing more than a little friendly poking and bantering back and fourth between two or three of us, and it's been going on for a while now. Ever heard the saying "its an A and B conversation, C your way out of it"? There's still plenty of room for "rational" discussion, so dont get your underoos in a wad.

Okay, well, I DID MAKE A RATIONAL INQUIRY to Weswood Performance via Email, and also TOOK THE TIME TO LOOK at their website for information. The Digispark is not available yet. A price has not even been set yet, because TESTING HAS NOT EVEN BEEN COMPLETED YET!! Believe it or not, some of us like to deal in hard fast FACTUAL evidence that a product actually does what it claims to do...NOT what someone HOPES it will do, based on some manufacturer's hyped up claims. That info is a bit hard to come by when the product isnt even out of the testing phase yet. I'm sure we'll all hear more about it, after all it IS a cool breakthrough to see a "user tuneable" system being made available for the C4 (although the company itself says it's not going to be something that just anyone will be able to do).

Straight off the website:

This is not a “Plug & Play” kit. For most mechanics, the Digispark Kit will be easy to install. The basic tune file loaded in the PCM is a safe tune for a very mildly modified TPI / L-98 engine. But, to optimize your engine combination additional tuning will be required. The basic tune file loaded in the PCM will get the engine started and allow easy tuning for drivability using software included in the kit. Tuning for maximum power will require a dyno and a wide band O2 sensor.
While the Digispark Kit is not difficult to install and electronic / software tuning is not difficult, our kit is not the best way for you if you have no experience with software tuning files or if you have limited engine modification experience. If this is the case and you really want the capabilities offered by our kit; you should consider looking for a nearby aftermarket EFI installer / tuner. Or, if you can get your car to us, we would be happy to do the installation / tuning for you. Our contact information is elsewhere in this website.

The "petty little squabbles" you seem so quick to start b!tching about are nothing more than a little friendly poking and bantering back and fourth between two or three of us, and it's been going on for a while now. Ever heard the saying "its an A and B conversation, C your way out of it"? There's still plenty of room for "rational" discussion, so dont get your underoos in a wad.

:goodpost: :thumbsup: , thanks bro.:sm_party:

It is also suppose to change the earlier tpi cars from batch fire to sequential like the later models. It also gives you more power on the top end where the tpi quits.GM never made a production Sequential TPI. So I don't understand what you mean by "like later models". Also, slapping a a new PCM doesn't make and engine "Sequential compatible". You need hardware, like a cam sensor at a minimum, and a new harness w/separate wiring for each injector. Maybe this thing comes w/all of that hardware?

I lOVE FREE SPEECH but not BRATTY CHILDREN!

I'M GETTING PISSED AT PEOPLE STALKING OTHER'S POSTS AND SCREWING UP THREADS THAT COULD BE INTERESTING WITH THEIR PETTY LITTLE SQUABBLES!:catfight:

If this keeps up I HOPE THIS HAPPENS :banned:
:soapbox:

THE TOPIC WAS in a well respected magazine and DESERVES further rational inquiry!
"THE TOPIC WAS in a well respected magazine and DESERVES further rational inquiry!" Fine, but rational is not the forte of the OP. If you want a rational discussion on the item, start and have one. When one person makes a nuisance out of themselves posting dreams and fantasies, repeatedly, he ruins the credibility of any product, legitimate or otherwise, that he mentions. The statement made by the OP, "It also gives you more power on the top end where the tpi quits.", is just such a claim.

RACE ON!!!

I lOVE FREE SPEECH but not BRATTY CHILDREN!

I'M GETTING PISSED AT PEOPLE STALKING OTHER'S POSTS AND SCREWING UP THREADS THAT COULD BE INTERESTING WITH THEIR PETTY LITTLE SQUABBLES!:catfight:

If this keeps up I HOPE THIS HAPPENS :banned:
:soapbox:

THE TOPIC WAS in a well respected magazine and DESERVES further rational inquiry!

I do agree...we have been watching these post by the above member. If you do not like the post make your statements but stop the attacks. I see nothing wrong with the OP's thread. If you dont like it fine, but stop making personal attacks now. It is clear there is a rift here..move on and enjoy the site.

I do agree...we have been watching these post by the above member. If you do not like the post make your statements but stop the attacks. I see nothing wrong with the OP's thread. If you dont like it fine, but stop making personal attacks now. It is clear there is a rift here..move on and enjoy the site.

:iagree: , but no need to bann anyone, this back and forth is what makes people come back here. If it was all roses you would start to here the crickets in here.

I also agree, The OP just ask if any one has tried a product, That's all. Some of us like to hear about the newist stuff out there for are Corvettes but it always ends the same way, Some one is attacked from all sides by the same members time after time.Then nothing is said about the latest new stuff for are cars just personal attacks. Its got to end.


I do agree...we have been watching these post by the above member. If you do not like the post make your statements but stop the attacks. I see nothing wrong with the OP's thread. If you dont like it fine, but stop making personal attacks now. It is clear there is a rift here..move on and enjoy the site.

I also agree, The OP just ask if any one has tried a product, That's all. Some of us like to hear about the newist stuff out there for are Corvettes but it always ends the same way, Some one is attacked from all sides by the same members time after time.Then nothing is said about the latest new stuff for are cars just personal attacks. Its got to end.

I don't agree w/that^ at all. Here's what happened, and what traditionally happens w/this particular OP;
1. The OP just ask if any one has tried a product (that part was correct)
2. The OP goes on to make a bunch of unsubstantiated claims about the product, either reciting the products' marketing garbage, or more accurately, dramatically embellishing on that propaganda to the point of ridiculousness. Embellishment which makes it look like the product can do things which it can not.
3. Members who know better, ask legitimate questions about the claims. In this case: A. Raising TPI's RPM range which we know is a physical limitation, not a software one, and B. The claim about making a TPI Sequential injection "Like later models"...of which there never were any, and TPI engines lack the physical componentry to make that happen anyway.

I can not see why asking questions or even challenging such claims "has got to stop". (?) What should stop is the OP making unsupported, grossly exagerated claims that will lead the unwitting into possibly spending money on a product, and thinking that they're going to get something that they're not.

The point of boards like this is the FLOW OF INFORMATION. Ideally, the flow of ACCURATE information...which is hard to come by. People who know little to nothing, come here for advice. When they read big claims about a product, and there is no questioning for the claims' validity, well....that's not accurate information, and it's misleading to some. Not fair. It's FAIR for people to be able to read about all sides of a topic so that they can decide for themselves on the product.

In short, if the OP wanted to know if anyone has used a product which is not for sale yet, he should have asked that, and left the rest out. If he wants to know if the products claims seem legitimate, he should have asked, rather than stating that it can do things, that it can not.

-Tom

I went to the site too (like Lowlvlflyer) and looked around. It looks to ME like they've put together a "package" that is a later model, OE PCM and harness, and then added a new distributor to create a "cam sensor". Those components allow for the sequential inj. Clever, and economical solution, IMO. I like it...if that is really what it is.

There was no mention as to how they are going to make the early LT1 have a cam sensor; do they have them, stock?

There was no mention as to pricing or release date. I see this system as a pre-packaged, easy way to get into tuning. The sequential and dist. are a by product of the newer PCM's requirements rather than a "performance enhancement". Still, an improvement. I like the concept, as I understand it so far.

-Tom

So what are you saying a new product for an old car is dumb?

I just posted what I read in corvette fever, send them the nasty comments or send the company making the product nasty emails, don't shoot the messenger.

This kind of constant comments makes me think of selling my vettes and getting a BMW.

So what are you saying a new product for an old car is dumb?Are you talking to me? You must not be, because I never said that. I didn't see where anyone said that, though. Not sure where you got that from. Maybe you can quote where that was said, so I'm clear on it.

I just posted what I read in corvette fever, send them the nasty comments or send the company making the product nasty emails, don't shoot the messenger.Corvette Fever, huh? That's half the problem right there. I get that magazine too, so I know how bad it is. It's ridiculous...like "FORZA" magazine for Ferarri owners. I don't think that I "Shot the messenger"...just asked how it could be possible to do what you were claiming. I think that I said that after reviewing the products site, that I think the concept is a good one, and that "I like it", and that "I like the concept, as I understand it so far".

This kind of constant comments makes me think of selling my vettes and getting a BMW.
Go for it. I doubt that you'll find things to be much different on a BMW forum. The only difference will be that you'll get worse gas milage than you do now, while simultaineously going slower! :burnout:

"THE TOPIC WAS in a well respected magazine and DESERVES further rational inquiry!" Fine, but rational is not the forte of the OP. If you want a rational discussion on the item, start and have one. When one person makes a nuisance out of themselves posting dreams and fantasies, repeatedly, he ruins the credibility of any product, legitimate or otherwise, that he mentions. The statement made by the OP, "It also gives you more power on the top end where the tpi quits.", is just such a claim.

RACE ON!!!

Since you know everything, can you tell me if we(the royal we) can put wet T-shirt pic's in our avatars?

Since you know everything, can you tell me if we(the royal we) can put wet T-shirt pic's in our avatars?

You see, stupid crap like that is EXACTLY WHY there are those here who don't like you. you seriously need to check your compass and align in a new direction, and stop acting like such a jerk off.

By the way, I love the amount of respect you have for your lady... plastering her t!ts all over a public forum. Shows alot about your character.

You see, stupid crap like that is EXACTLY WHY there are those here who don't like you. you seriously need to check your compass and align in a new direction, and stop acting like such a jerk off.

By the way, I love the amount of respect you have for your lady... plastering her t!ts all over a public forum. Shows alot about your character.

I'll take the compliment:thumbsup3: :Irule:

I'll take the compliment:thumbsup3: :Irule:

Wasn't meant as a compliment but... um, okay, whatever you think.:loser:

Thanks for the useful info!


The "petty little squabbles" you seem so quick to start b!tching about are nothing more than a little friendly poking and bantering back and fourth between two or three of us, and it's been going on for a while now. Ever heard the saying "its an A and B conversation, C your way out of it"? There's still plenty of room for "rational" discussion, so dont get your underoos in a wad.

Its certainly not "SO QUICK" since its been MONTHS of this annoying childish banter. First it was whenever the Renegade was mentioned. Everybody got sick of that discussion and a new thread was opened and the banter on there could be easily avoided.
Its quite clear that now certain people are stalking one person's posts to continue the fued or whatever you want to call it.
Its now like being in a room of little girls talking about nothing they are annoying other people with their constant whining.
Its annoying to have to sift through all the meaningless posts to get usefull info. Thats the LAST I'm saying of this on any board. PM me if you feel the need for some "banter" or even psycho analysis
:givemebeer.sml:

Thanks for the useful info!




Its certainly not "SO QUICK" since its been MONTHS of this annoying childish banter. First it was whenever the Renegade was mentioned. Everybody got sick of that discussion and a new thread was opened and the banter on there could be easily avoided.
Its quite clear that now certain people are stalking one person's posts to continue the fued or whatever you want to call it.
Its now like being in a room of little girls talking about nothing they are annoying other people with their constant whining.
Its annoying to have to sift through all the meaningless posts to get usefull info. Thats the LAST I'm saying of this on any board. PM me if you feel the need for some "banter" or even psycho analysis
:givemebeer.sml:

:iagree: It gets to the point where you cannot even read into the thread because the childish whining gets so ridiculous that it becomes sickening... This bickering needs to come to an end since it seems to be hijacking most of the threads on the c4 section of the forum.

I don't think they are stalking me. They are just chiming in to see how far my avatar will go. Avatar you are a bad girl.:nono:

Thanks for the useful info!




Its certainly not "SO QUICK" since its been MONTHS of this annoying childish banter. First it was whenever the Renegade was mentioned. Everybody got sick of that discussion and a new thread was opened and the banter on there could be easily avoided.
Its quite clear that now certain people are stalking one person's posts to continue the fued or whatever you want to call it.
Its now like being in a room of little girls talking about nothing they are annoying other people with their constant whining.
Its annoying to have to sift through all the meaningless posts to get usefull info. Thats the LAST I'm saying of this on any board. PM me if you feel the need for some "banter" or even psycho analysis
:givemebeer.sml:

What EVER.:catfight:

Now even the Newbies to our Great Website are complaining about the personal attacks! It's funny that it's only in the C4 Section and only a few individuals causing most the problems. (And you know who you are!). How about you guys stop posting for one week and lets see how things go. If nothing changes I apologise to you guys in advance, If things get better, lets talk about it and fix the problem. If things stay the way they are now we will lose all of are C4 members to the other Corvette Forums. Soon!!!!!
David Steele


:iagree: It gets to the point where you cannot even read into the thread because the childish whining gets so ridiculous that it becomes sickening... This bickering needs to come to an end since it seems to be hijacking most of the threads on the c4 section of the forum.

Wow!!!!!!! And I thought the postings in the political section of the smokin' lounge were bad, SOME of you people are acting just like little girls. If he wants to post pic's of his girls "t!ts", as you so bluntly put it, then let him. That's between him and his girl, if she don't mind and he don't mind who else is it hurting? Personally I wouldn't do it, but to each his own.

It seemed to me that he had a legitimate question in the beginning. He read about a product and some of the claims it was making, so he asked about it. And what do a few you do? You come at him like a pack of wolves after a baby sheep. I know that I would start to get slightly pi$$ed if every time I made a post people attacked me. I thought that this is what this forum was about, corvette people helping each other out. Got to admit, the same few are making a bad name for those of us who want to help by attacking those whom are in need of help.

It probably would have been simpler to just tell the guy that pretty much all of what he read was a total fallacy or it was impossible and then maybe explain why. Maybe tell him that his source isn't the best and then maybe point him in the right direction.

Rage, Hulk, SV, SV2, Sting75Ray, now those guys have a good "banter" going on quite a few posts and you can tell that it's friendly, funny, and sometimes downright disgusting, but it's good banter. You guys on the other hand...not so much.

Wow!!!!!!! And I thought the postings in the political section of the smokin' lounge were bad, SOME of you people are acting just like little girls. If he wants to post pic's of his girls "t!ts", as you so bluntly put it, then let him. That's between him and his girl, if she don't mind and he don't mind who else is it hurting? Personally I wouldn't do it, but to each his own.

It seemed to me that he had a legitimate question in the beginning. He read about a product and some of the claims it was making, so he asked about it. And what do a few you do? You come at him like a pack of wolves after a baby sheep. I know that I would start to get slightly pi$$ed if every time I made a post people attacked me. I thought that this is what this forum was about, corvette people helping each other out. Got to admit, the same few are making a bad name for those of us who want to help by attacking those whom are in need of help.

It probably would have been simpler to just tell the guy that pretty much all of what he read was a total fallacy or it was impossible and then maybe explain why. Maybe tell him that his source isn't the best and then maybe point him in the right direction.

Rage, Hulk, SV, SV2, Sting75Ray, now those guys have a good "banter" going on quite a few posts and you can tell that it's friendly, funny, and sometimes downright disgusting, but it's good banter. You guys on the other hand...not so much.

Downright disgusting? Where can I read these posts?:seeya:

Wow!!!!!!! And I thought the postings in the political section of the smokin' lounge were bad, SOME of you people are acting just like little girls. If he wants to post pic's of his girls "t!ts", as you so bluntly put it, then let him. That's between him and his girl, if she don't mind and he don't mind who else is it hurting? Personally I wouldn't do it, but to each his own.

It seemed to me that he had a legitimate question in the beginning. He read about a product and some of the claims it was making, so he asked about it. And what do a few you do? You come at him like a pack of wolves after a baby sheep. I know that I would start to get slightly pi$$ed if every time I made a post people attacked me. I thought that this is what this forum was about, corvette people helping each other out. Got to admit, the same few are making a bad name for those of us who want to help by attacking those whom are in need of help.

It probably would have been simpler to just tell the guy that pretty much all of what he read was a total fallacy or it was impossible and then maybe explain why. Maybe tell him that his source isn't the best and then maybe point him in the right direction.

Rage, Hulk, SV, SV2, Sting75Ray, now those guys have a good "banter" going on quite a few posts and you can tell that it's friendly, funny, and sometimes downright disgusting, but it's good banter. You guys on the other hand...not so much.

First of all, I posted my first response the way I did because this is just one more in a LOOOONG string of posts where the OP asks a question, then goes into the same old BS routine he always does. Seriously, he posted the company's website address so that tells me that he made an effort to look it up. All he had to do was read a few lines to see that the product in question isnt even available yet. With all due respect, with only 66 posts to your credit, unless you've been lurking here since before Christmas, you're coming in on the very tail end of what's been going on with this guy.

Secondly, It's one thing to help someone out who WANTS help. It's quite another to offer assistance to a guy who posts a question, then turns around and calls you a liar, questions everything you've posted TRYING to help him, and just generally posts ignorant questions in order to TRY and keep things stirred up. Would you like me to point you to SEVERAL examples? They're not hard to find. If you had READ any of the posts from the past 6 months (alot of which are now gone due to a software glitch), you'd see why some of us are so tired of this crap. But hey, like I said before, what EVER. It's apparent the mods arent going to do anything with the INSTIGATOR of the problem, so I'm done with this whole BS mess. So, I'm going to take Dave's suggestion. I'm turning off Smokinvette for a week (unless I have a major problem that needs a suggestion) and see what happens. When I come back and see if the BS has stopped, then I'll make a decision as to whether to stay or not. Ya'll have a good day, now.:DeadHorse:

First of all, I posted my first response the way I did because this is just one more in a LOOOONG string of posts where the OP asks a question, then goes into the same old BS routine he always does. Seriously, he posted the company's website address so that tells me that he made an effort to look it up. All he had to do was read a few lines to see that the product in question isnt even available yet. With all due respect, with only 66 posts to your credit, unless you've been lurking here since before Christmas, you're coming in on the very tail end of what's been going on with this guy.

Secondly, It's one thing to help someone out who WANTS help. It's quite another to offer assistance to a guy who posts a question, then turns around and calls you a liar, questions everything you've posted TRYING to help him, and just generally posts ignorant questions in order to TRY and keep things stirred up. Would you like me to point you to SEVERAL examples? They're not hard to find. If you had READ any of the posts from the past 6 months (alot of which are now gone due to a software glitch), you'd see why some of us are so tired of this crap. But hey, like I said before, what EVER. It's apparent the mods arent going to do anything with the INSTIGATOR of the problem, so I'm done with this whole BS mess. So, I'm going to take Dave's suggestion. I'm turning off Smokinvette for a week (unless I have a major problem that needs a suggestion) and see what happens. When I come back and see if the BS has stopped, then I'll make a decision as to whether to stay or not. Ya'll have a good day, now.:DeadHorse:
WOW! A full week of leaving me alone:sm_party: :beerbang: . Makes me feel like I'm on holidays.:rockon6rk: :rockon6rk: :rockon6rk: :Irule: :Banane08: :goodpost: :wave1: :wave1: :D

First of all, I posted my first response the way I did because this is just one more in a LOOOONG string of posts where the OP asks a question, then goes into the same old BS routine he always does. Seriously, he posted the company's website address so that tells me that he made an effort to look it up. All he had to do was read a few lines to see that the product in question isnt even available yet. With all due respect, with only 66 posts to your credit, unless you've been lurking here since before Christmas, you're coming in on the very tail end of what's been going on with this guy.

Secondly, It's one thing to help someone out who WANTS help. It's quite another to offer assistance to a guy who posts a question, then turns around and calls you a liar, questions everything you've posted TRYING to help him, and just generally posts ignorant questions in order to TRY and keep things stirred up. Would you like me to point you to SEVERAL examples? They're not hard to find. If you had READ any of the posts from the past 6 months (alot of which are now gone due to a software glitch), you'd see why some of us are so tired of this crap. But hey, like I said before, what EVER. It's apparent the mods arent going to do anything with the INSTIGATOR of the problem, so I'm done with this whole BS mess. So, I'm going to take Dave's suggestion. I'm turning off Smokinvette for a week (unless I have a major problem that needs a suggestion) and see what happens. When I come back and see if the BS has stopped, then I'll make a decision as to whether to stay or not. Ya'll have a good day, now.:DeadHorse:

I have actually read quite a few of his posts and yes, he seems to ask quite a few questions. A few things to remember, not everyone is mechanically inclined and not everyone can, or will, understand what is written. This guy might not have ever worked on a vehicle in his life but has always wanted to and now he has one he can work on. Trust me, I'm an aircraft mechanic in the Air Force and I have dealt with these type of people each and every day for the past 20 years and counting. I know that I have wanted to strangle more than of few kids who can't grasp the simple concept of "righty tighty, lefty loosey", but sometimes they come around and become some outstanding mechanics. I'm very proud to say that I have put quite a few out there. On the other hand, some just can't grasp it and I have helped them out the door.

Most of his questions seem to be simple ignorance, and ignorance is NOT a bad thing, it means that he just doesn't know. While some of the questions might seem stupid to those of us "in the know", this guy just might not know. And if he can't ask the questions how is he supposed to learn?

As for the 66 posts, as soon as I got done posting my previous reply I asked SV2 to fix my post count, I didn't want to bother them while they were handling everybody else's after the hack. I've been here for at least a little while.

Most of his questions seem to be simple ignorance, and ignorance is NOT a bad thing, it means that he just doesn't know. While some of the questions might seem stupid to those of us "in the know", this guy just might not know. And if he can't ask the questions how is he supposed to learn?

I don't think that anyone has a problem with the asking of questions; no matter how basic the topic. That is what the forum is for! I'll post a reply telling someone how to remove a radiator cap...if they're sincere about wanting or needing to know how! However, what I've seen from this particular guy is not that. He asks questions, and when he does get a sincere response, he either ignores it, or takes a crack at the person who tried to help him. My respect for him will go WAY UP, if he actually does get, and install a new intake, by himself. It would go up further if he asked legitimate, sincere questions, and then followed up with results of his EFFORTS, after applying the advice that he's been given. It would go up WAY more, if he actually came to SLC and ran his car at the track -after all the smack he's talked. Even if he ran 17's, I'd pat him on the back for coming out.

That I've not yet seen him take anyones sincere advice or response seriously, and that he does that repeatedly...makes me wonder: Is he even working on the item in question? Does he even have the parts in question to do the work that he's asking about? Is he actually going to persue any of this? Does he even own a Corvette? I truely wonder.

I don't think that anyone has a problem with the asking of questions; no matter how basic the topic. That is what the forum is for! I'll post a reply telling someone how to remove a radiator cap...if they're sincere about wanting or needing to know how! However, what I've seen from this particular guy is not that. He asks questions, and when he does get a sincere response, he either ignores it, or takes a crack at the person who tried to help him. My respect for him will go WAY UP, if he actually does get, and install a new intake, by himself. It would go up further if he asked legitimate, sincere questions, and then followed up with results of his EFFORTS, after applying the advice that he's been given. It would go up WAY more, if he actually came to SLC and ran his car at the track -after all the smack he's talked. Even if he ran 17's, I'd pat him on the back for coming out.

That I've not yet seen him take anyones sincere advice or response seriously, and that he does that repeatedly...makes me wonder: Is he even working on the item in question? Does he even have the parts in question to do the work that he's asking about? Is he actually going to persue any of this? Does he even own a Corvette? I truely wonder.

I have to say, that Tom has hit the nail on the head. Nothing more to say on the matter. :iagree:

:hater: :blahblah: :toetap05: :thumbsdown: nuf said.

Why do you have to analyze everthing? If you have the answer to the solution or helpful advice then post if not:nunu:

Are you talking to me?? I HAVE posted helpful advice for you. The problem is, you don't seem to listen...or even care about the good advice which you receive. I don't believe that I'm the first to say that either. It's almost as if you didn't even have the car, that is the topic of discussion.

Are you talking to me?? I HAVE posted helpful advice for you. The problem is, you don't seem to listen...or even care about the good advice which you receive. I don't believe that I'm the first to say that either. It's almost as if you didn't even have the car, that is the topic of discussion.

What do you want to see my registration? the vin#?

Not really. What I would like to see is for you to...followed up with results of his EFFORTS, after applying the advice that he's been given.

Or even better yet; actually came to SLC and ran his car at the track -after all the smack he's talked. Even if he ran 17's, I'd pat him on the back for coming out.

What is SLC?

Salt
Lake
City.

I flew in their once, its kind of a dump.:toilet:

I'm sure the folks who read this, and live there will appreciate that.
I live in Park City, and the significance of "SLC" as it relates to this thread and my comments are that it is the closest sanctioned drag strip to both you and I.

Again; come down. Run your car.

I'm sure the folks who read this, and live there will appreciate that.
I live in Park City, and the significance of "SLC" as it relates to this thread and my comments are that it is the closest sanctioned drag strip to both you and I.

Again; come down. Run your car.

Spokane WA has a drag strip? I don't know if it is sanctioned? But thats a f@(* of alot closer to me than dump water salt lake city:thumbsup3:

Alrighty then. I guess I'll be waiting for you to post a time slip from there soon! :thumbsup:

Once again, SLC residents will really appreciate your opinion of their city...I'm sure. :rolleyes:

Spokane WA has a drag strip? I don't know if it is sanctioned? But thats a f@(* of alot closer to me than dump water salt lake city:thumbsup3:

It might be closer but honestly you should just go. It would be a lot more fun with the people you talk to on the forum than just go to a strip where you don't know anybody. Hell if I was close to these guys I'd go in a second! Think of all the knowledge you could learn from them.

Who cares what your times are.... go to a test and tune... that way your not racing per say. First time down the track they lined me up with a 8 second mustang, made me look like I didn't even move. Guy was parked next to me in the pits and ended up learning a lot from him.

And you can run at your own pace. What I do is go to a track rental day which are test and tunes, run the whole day and only costs me 70 bucks! If you have the opportunity...take it!

Are these tracks busy? Do you have to wait along time between runs? Do they inspect your car before you run? What is needed for safety?

WHich tracks? RMR is not bad on a T&T day. Probably 1/2 hour between runs...or longer if you're about the "Cool down".

The do "tech" your car.

Safety equipment: All normal stuff that comes in your car: Brakes that work, lights that turn on, seat belt, radiator over flow (reservior), battery not flopping around. Helmet for 13.99 or faster but you won't need that, at this elevation.

WHich tracks? RMR is not bad on a T&T day. Probably 1/2 hour between runs...or longer if you're about the "Cool down".

The do "tech" your car.

Safety equipment: All normal stuff that comes in your car: Brakes that work, lights that turn on, seat belt, radiator over flow (reservior), battery not flopping around. Helmet for 13.99 or faster but you won't need that, at this elevation.

Oh I don't know with a renegade intake I should be able to break into the mid to low 13's:burnout: :cheers:

The track here is sanctioned as well.
I go at 8 AM, they "tech" your car as well then by 10AM we're on the track. :burnout:

Last year all the guy did was had me pop the hood then chatted with me for a bit and threw a sticker on.

For us the lines weren't long and you pretty much got on the track quickly each time you wanted to. I think I made 16 passes last year in 5 hours.

Oh I don't know with a renegade intake I should be able to break into the mid to low 13'sMaybe at sea level. I'll tell you something to give you some "calibration" for our altitude handicap; Last Friday night, there was a stock C6 there, automatic. The car was running 14.3.

Think about what you've read in the mags, sales literature, and internet about the C6. I believe the fastest stock C6 on the "Fast list" has run 11.71. I've never seen a C6 at RMR run faster than 13.99, other than mine. That should put things into perspective for you some.

Oh I don't know with a renegade intake I should be able to break into the mid to low 13's:burnout: :cheers:

Two of the most humbling this you can do is put your car on a track, and a dyno, you really need to get some track time. I will be surprised if you break into the 14s at this altitude... As they say in the south, "come on down ya'll" I am 66 years old, cfi is a little bit younger, I dont think you have to worry about getting shanked, but more likely spanked, on the strip.:cheers:

500HP406 is right; I was humbled too. I ran all sorts of HIGH 14's at RMR w/my 350", CFI Trans Am. When I put a 400 into it, I was stoked at how much more "badassed" it was. It had TONS of tq, felt awesome, sounded awesome....I TOOLED (emphasis on tool) around town for weeks, thinking I had one of the baddest cars in Park City...maybe even UT! When I finally got it down to RMR to validate my swap to the 400, I was mortified, and stupified that the car wouldn't run better than a 15.6!! Some of my passes were in the 16's!

How could that be? The car FELT like a rocket! I just couldn't believe it...but you can't argue w/the numbers and I had been "schooled". It took more work on my part, to get the car to perform the way it should have. Had I not tracked it, I'd have never known, though.

Wow, reading some of the posts on these times blow my mind. I never would have guessed that being that high up would make that much of a differance. Your not talking just tenths of a second but 2 and 3 second differances. Thank god here were only 300ft above sea level.

Wow, reading some of the posts on these times blow my mind. I never would have guessed that being that high up would make that much of a differance. Your not talking just tenths of a second but 2 and 3 second differances. Thank god here were only 300ft above sea level.

I am running at least 440 hp at the flywheel, 343 at the rear wheels, and it is difficult to consistantly run in the 12s, if you do one thing wrong, hit the rev limiter, anything, your in the 13s. I have run as low as 12.6 at this altitude, but most of the times 12, 89 and up. So when someone tells me they are going to run in the 13s with a crossfire and a renegade intake, I am betting they dont get in to the 14.s. I am getting ready to purchase a set of AFR 195s which will put me well above 500 hp, and it will still be difficult with street tires to play in the 12's.. Yeh when we go to Pheonix to race in the winter (1000ft) I pick up well over a second. Racing in SLC is ugly because you can;t make mistakes.:cheers:

:toocrazy::toocrazy::happy0045:

One thing I haven't seen mentioned after pages of bullshit.

SO WHAT?

What is the HUGE advantage of sequential over batch fire.

Answer NOT MUCH unless you're at idle. Once off idle it really doesn't make a bit of difference.

I have customers running well into 4 digits of horsepower using batch fire setups.

SO WTF is the real advantage of sequential if the car is moving? It's all about emissions at idle. THAT'S IT!

Anyone? Anyone?

Second thing I noticed is the line "well respected magazine"...

I have news for you all, there is NO SUCH THING anymore.

If I am a manufacturer and I want an article published, I write the article, send it in with pictures, and if I pick up the phone I make the cover.

I deal with manufacturers every day and have CEOs of well known companies in this business on my speed dial in my phone. THEY admit there's no value in print anymore, it's all just infomercials for the manufacturer.

As consumers WAKE UP stop buying gimmicks. I have been saying it for years, it's what got me banned from Corvette Forum and Guru. ALL GIMMICKS.

I have to say, that Tom has hit the nail on the head. Nothing more to say on the matter. :iagree:

Tom hit the nail on the head in a number of posts.

I'd like to point out that if CFI-EFI wanted a 10 second car he's have a 10 second car.

He likes his 14 second car and has nothing to do with the advice/knowledge he has.

Maybe at sea level. I'll tell you something to give you some "calibration" for our altitude handicap; Last Friday night, there was a stock C6 there, automatic. The car was running 14.3.

Think about what you've read in the mags, sales literature, and internet about the C6. I believe the fastest stock C6 on the "Fast list" has run 11.71. I've never seen a C6 at RMR run faster than 13.99, other than mine. That should put things into perspective for you some.

Blasphemy Tom, pure blasphemy.

I agree 100%

500HP406 is right; I was humbled too. I ran all sorts of HIGH 14's at RMR w/my 350", CFI Trans Am. When I put a 400 into it, I was stoked at how much more "badassed" it was. It had TONS of tq, felt awesome, sounded awesome....I TOOLED (emphasis on tool) around town for weeks, thinking I had one of the baddest cars in Park City...maybe even UT! When I finally got it down to RMR to validate my swap to the 400, I was mortified, and stupified that the car wouldn't run better than a 15.6!! Some of my passes were in the 16's!

How could that be? The car FELT like a rocket! I just couldn't believe it...but you can't argue w/the numbers and I had been "schooled". It took more work on my part, to get the car to perform the way it should have. Had I not tracked it, I'd have never known, though.

You know what Tom. That is perfect.

I've been battling a-holes for years that talked to me about "seat of the pants".... how if you use some golden part blah blah blah.

It's all about the SETUP. From radiator to alignment, etc...

Basically as I have said in the past, what you got with that 400 was a dumptruck motor. Great if you want to haul horseshlt but sucks if you wanna go fast.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone told you that you required heads with a very small port to get those results.

People get off on the snap of your neck, and has no bearing on where you finish.

At least it made it into a magazine. I was just looking for feedback on this product. I think the HP gain was from doing a proper tune on his tired old TPI and just getting it setup right. They never gave a before and after HP.
You do know how most stuff gets into magazines?...For free publicity the manufacturer gets to say anything he wants about his product. The magazine won't test the performance (or lack thereof) of said product. So guess what?...The magazine and product sales go up. All hype and b.s., IMO. Same applies to the Summit, Jegs and Ecklers catalogs, to name a few.

You do know how most stuff gets into magazines?....

Yes. A manufacturer does a puff piece on their own product. Sends it to an editor, and it is run as an article. Guess what the results are..

I am not shitting you at all. I was told this by the CEO/Owner of one of the major companies in this business.

Magazines are going away and they aren't putting money into reporting. Especially when the manufacturers do the work for them.

Too many gimmicky things. For many, it's a game of #'s. If I add 10 hp with this, 10 more with that, and 25 with this...and so on. You'll quickly end up with a 450 hp, 16 sec 1/4 mile screamer.

Never take a publication for what it claims. As noted, they want you to buy their product. You wouldn't buy a cam if they claimed you wouldn't see any benefit, or even a minor one over what you already have.

I really love the ads that claim a noticeable rwhp by adding their part.:bs:

Too many gimmicky things. For many, it's a game of #'s. If I add 10 hp with this, 10 more with that, and 25 with this...and so on. You'll quickly end up with a 450 hp, 16 sec 1/4 mile screamer.

Never take a publication for what it claims. As noted, they want you to buy their product. You wouldn't buy a cam if they claimed you wouldn't see any benefit, or even a minor one over what you already have.

I really love the ads that claim a noticeable rwhp by adding their part.:bs:

It's like gas mileage. If you inflate your tires you'll add 10%, tune up the car you'll get 20%, etc..etc..etc... If you do everything you can actually start creating gasoline.

Those of you who remember many of my posts before I got banned from those other 2 forums, will remember, it's all about the GIMICK and the big claims, not about the truth.

I why I started the other thread. Mis information needs to be confronted and discredited. I've been saying that for a long time. Bottom line, you do not make more power with MPFI as stated in this thread.