I just got an e-mail from Dynamic Crossfire Solutions. Their Renegade manifold is on schedule and will be released around late July/early August as originally planned. Instead of the top being made out of 1/4" aluminum plate, they're going to be cast with a raised RENEGADE cast onto them. And they will have hand stamped serial numbers.

With the raised renegade on them has to be worth atleast 5 extra HP:sm_party:

I ordered one of those high performance intakes myself. Just counting down the days before I can install it and head to the track. And get some before:wheelchair: and after:burnout: numbers

I have ported several stock Crossfire manifolds, and extensively modified another one. I know from past experience NOTHING you can do is of much help to a Crossfire manifold. The new RENEGADE manifold will blow away even the best of the ported Crossfires, because it will have correctly tapered FULL SIZE runners.

I think the raised RENEGADE logo on the lid will be a nice finishing touch, but the problem is you won't be able to see it with the air cleaner on. I'm wondering if a stock lid will fit on the new manifold. If it did, then I'd rather buy the lower part of the manifold only.

I too have ordered one and am patiently waiting for it to get shipped to me. Once I get it on, that will complete my engine modifications.

With the raised renegade on them has to be worth atleast 5 extra HP:sm_party:
That sort of logic breeds the S.O.T.P. results many false rumors are based on.


Just counting down the days before I can install it and head to the track. And get some before:wheelchair: and after:burnout: numbers
That is if you can find a track. What are you waiting for? Post your "before" times now. How are you planning to "get some before:wheelchair:" numbers after you install it??? :huh: DUH!

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I have ported several stock Crossfire manifolds, and extensively modified another one. I know from past experience NOTHING you can do is of much help to a Crossfire manifold.I have ported one stock Crossfire manifold. I know from past experience that there are major gains to be had by properly porting a Crossfire manifold. Your statement is largely dependent on your definition of "is of much help". Personally, I was pleased and, I consider an improvement of in excess of a half second reduction in 1/4 mile ET to be "of much help".



The new RENEGADE manifold will blow away even the best of the ported Crossfires, because it will have correctly tapered FULL SIZE runners.
That is a pretty bold statement for an unseen, untested, commodity. What are you offering as a guarantee to back that statement? I can't comment on the unknown. For all the effort, expense, and hype, it certainly ought to out perform a backyard hack job.

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Geeze...I've hear so much about the wonders of the Renegades I think I'll buy one and adapt it to Eve's Ba-Ba-Buick...it's got a side ways V-6 Now, but I'm pretty confidant the Renegade will add an extra 100 HP or so...., maybe I'll just braze it in place and save all the time and trouble of machining it to fit....

Geeze...I've hear so much about the wonders of the Renegades I think I'll buy one and adapt it to Eve's Ba-Ba-Buick...it's got a side ways V-6 Now, but I'm pretty confidant the Renegade will add an extra 100 HP or so...., maybe I'll just braze it in place and save all the time and trouble of machining it to fit....
:iagree:
It will probably turn water into wine and walk on water, too. What a bunch of :sheep:

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As the stock runners measure a dismal 1 1/8" X 1 3/8" inside (1.5 square inches), the best porting job you can do will only allow about a 10% air flow gain over the stock size.

The RENEGADE'S runners measure 1 1/4" X 2 1/4" (2.8125 square inches) and will allow for about a 90% air flow gain, so the intake manifold will no longer be the restriction point.

So I'll be willing to bet a RENEGADE equipped car will easily outrun a ported intake car. Especially from 4000 rpm and up.

As the stock runners measure a dismal 1 1/8" X 1 3/8" inside (1.5 square inches), the best porting job you can do will only allow about a 10% air flow gain over the stock size.
So what are you saying? If a 10% (maximum according to you) increase in size isn't "much help to a Crossfire manifold.", how much faster than a half second, plus, improvement is necessary to be considered as "help to a Crossfire manifold."?


The RENEGADE'S runners measure 1 1/4" X 2 1/4" (2.8125 square inches) and will allow for about a 90% air flow gain, so the intake manifold will no longer be the restriction point. So I'll be willing to bet a RENEGADE equipped car will easily outrun a ported intake car. Especially from 4000 rpm and up.
You might be right. I can't comment on the unknown quantity of the magical mystery manifold. Taken at face value your numbers, if correct, indicate that it should be a significant improvement, over stock. For all the time, money, and hype invested, it had better be. I am not putting down what I don't know. My question is, if a better than a half second reduction in ET isn't "of much help (to a Crossfire manifold.)" what is?

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So I'll be willing to bet a RENEGADE equipped car will easily outrun a ported intake car. Especially from 4000 rpm and up.

That sums it up.
Until there is some actual data thats all we can do....is guess

That sums it up.
Until there is some actual data thats all we can do....is guess:iagree:
But even if the million dollar miracle manifold is faster than a ported manifold, does that make the statement, "NOTHING you can do is of much help to a Crossfire manifold." true?

What constitutes "much help"? Is a ported manifold worthless if it doesn't cut a full second off the 1/4 mile ET? I think if you are going to take the time to compare them, it has already been acknowledged that the ported Crossfire is worthy of the challenge.

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A new RENEGADE intake manifold will easily outflow a ported-to-the-maximum Crossfire intake manifold, so it will naturally produce more top end horsepower than a ported Crossfire intake manifold. That's why I ordered one. I'm tired of running an intake manifold that isn't as good as it could be.

A new RENEGADE intake manifold will easily outflow a ported-to-the-maximum Crossfire intake manifold, so it will naturally produce more top end horsepower than a ported Crossfire intake manifold. That's why I ordered one. I'm tired of running something that isn't as good as it could be.
If thats the case, just swap in a L-98, or Lt-1, or any of probably hundreds of better performing engines, the choices must be almost limitless...I even saw a C-4 with an Allison Engine out of a WWII P-51 Fighter once....

A new RENEGADE intake manifold will easily outflow a ported-to-the-maximum Crossfire intake manifold,

Please provide your flow numbers and with your resources.
I'm looking forward to seeing them.

A new RENEGADE intake manifold will easily outflow a ported-to-the-maximum Crossfire intake manifold
When did you flow my intake manifold? I never noticed it missing. If mine isn't the "ported-to-the-maximum Crossfire intake manifold" flowed for the comparison, whose did you use? What was your source of the "ported-to-the-maximum Crossfire intake manifold"? Since it has yet to be produced, what did you use for flow numbers for the Renegade? Numbers someone (you?) dreamed up? There are an awful lot claims flying around with no back up or justification.



Assume, just for the moment, for the sake of argument, that the Renegade will do as you say, how does that apply to your statement, "NOTHING you can do is of much help to a Crossfire manifold."? What does the relationship of flow between two manifolds have to do with the worthiness of porting one of them. Quantify the term, "is of much help". How much help do you consider "is of much help"? I see a lot of wild unsubstantiated claims being made.

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I have ported one stock Crossfire manifold. I know from past experience that there are major gains to be had by properly porting a Crossfire manifold. Your statement is largely dependent on your definition of "is of much help". Personally, I was pleased and, I consider an improvement of in excess of a half second reduction in 1/4 mile ET to be "of much help".


That is a pretty bold statement for an unseen, untested, commodity. What are you offering as a guarantee to back that statement? I can't comment on the unknown. For all the effort, expense, and hype, it certainly ought to out perform a backyard hack job.

RACE ON!!!

High 14's :wheelchair: is not what we are after. That is why we purchased the renegade:burnout: :thumbsup:

As the stock runners measure a dismal 1 1/8" X 1 3/8" inside (1.5 square inches), the best porting job you can do will only allow about a 10% air flow gain over the stock size.

The RENEGADE'S runners measure 1 1/4" X 2 1/4" (2.8125 square inches) and will allow for about a 90% air flow gain, so the intake manifold will no longer be the restriction point.

So I'll be willing to bet a RENEGADE equipped car will easily outrun a ported intake car. Especially from 4000 rpm and up.

I am guaranteeing it at RMR!!!!!!:burnout: :thumbsup: :beerbang: :friday: :cheers:

stock crossfire intake:wheelchair:

ported stock crossfire intake:sheep:

renegade intake:burnout:

High 14's :wheelchair: is not what we are after. That is why we purchased the renegade:burnout: :thumbsup:
What does that statement have to do with the my post that you quoted? You make some off the subject, off the wall nonsense statements all too often. No wonder you don't make sense. You can't read and understand what you are commenting on.

Not only do I doubt you have any reasonable expectations from your purchase, I highly doubt even your mildest dreams will be realized.

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I am guaranteeing it at RMR!!!!!!:burnout: :thumbsup: :beerbang: :friday: :cheers:
More diarrhea of the mouth. What are you guaranteeing? That the stock runners "measure a dismal 1 1/8" X 1 3/8""? That the "The RENEGADE'S runners measure 1 1/4" X 2 1/4" "? What are you backing your guarantee with? This sounds like a lot of lip banging over nothing, as usual.

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stock crossfire intake:wheelchair:

ported stock crossfire intake:sheep:

renegade intake:burnout:
For the sake of all the people who have invested big bucks in the magical miracle manifold, I hope you are right. I never said a ported stock manifold was better. You made a complete pest of yourself, breaking into and hijacking every thread I posted in and told me that I ought to buy a Renegade. All I ever did was ask why? You could never tell me how much faster the MMM would be in my car. You posted then, and you continue now, to make unsubstantiated claims with zero justification.

If the expensive, engineered, professionally produced MMM can't out run a back yard, home hacked out, stock manifold, you ought to melt it down and use the aluminum for something worthwhile, like beer cans you can crush against your forehead.

Are you still waiting for the MMM to show up so you can do your "before" tests? :toocrazy:

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I guarantee 4 car lengths.

I guarantee 4 car lengths.

Hummm...with that Avatar, all I can see are TWO...

Come on Guys, That's enough on the Renegade Intake Manifold. When someone has one on there car let us know how it works. In tell then stop!
David

Just before I put my new RENEGADE on, I'll do some testing on my present setup (I'm running a gutted Crossfire with the center runner dividers removed). Then after I put the RENEGADE on, I'll do some testing and compare the two.

I would imagine I will see a substantial increase in performance over what I have now. We'll see.

Just before I put my new RENEGADE on, I'll do some testing on my present setup (I'm running a gutted Crossfire with the center runner dividers removed). Then after I put the RENEGADE on, I'll do some testing and compare the two.

I would imagine I will see a substantial increase in performance over what I have now. We'll see.

When you switch it over to the new high performance renegade. Could you tak a bunch of pictures and post them or PM them to me so I can see your handy work on your ported stock crossfire intake. It sounds really cool what you did to it.

Just before I put my new RENEGADE on, I'll do some testing on my present setup (I'm running a gutted Crossfire with the center runner dividers removed). Then after I put the RENEGADE on, I'll do some testing and compare the two.

I would imagine I will see a substantial increase in performance over what I have now. We'll see.

The fact remains that a STOCK manifold MIGHT preform BETTER than your home modified one....
Don't know your experience or ability level, but I've seen far to many cars that the performance was actually decreased on by owners doing mods themselves...

What part of STOP did you guys not understand if you cant be nice just dont post, These RENEGADE threads are out of control. Until some one has a RENEGADE intake manifold on there 82/84 Corvette why keep arguing about it.