" The truth is, there is no Islamic army of terreorist group called Al Qaida and any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the
public believe in the presence of an identified entity... The country behind the propaganda
is the US.
Pierre-Henry Bunel
Former French Millitery Intelligence

:wtf: And your point is.....??????

I believe his point is that we are being lied to and deceived about all most everything.
:chores013:

I believe his point is that we are being lied to and deceived about all most everything.
:chores013:

I didn't take it that way at all.. OP you should explain your point.

" The truth is, there is no Islamic army of terreorist group called Al Qaida and any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the
public believe in the presence of an identified entity... The country behind the propaganda
is the US.
Pierre-Henry Bunel
Former French Millitery Intelligence

BS....Join the military, get your TS clearance, get back to me! Guess the 1000's of troops killed is also US killing their own?

French Intelligence....enuff said!:soapbox:

French = Weak

BS....Join the military, get your TS clearance, get back to me! Guess the 1000's of troops killed is also US killing their own?

French Intelligence....enuff said!:soapbox:

Anyone who belives there is no Al Qaida is just plain ignorant.

The rabbit hole on subjects like this goes very deep. And most are lost or deceived along the way.
Here,s something along the way, for what reason are we {USA} catering to every nation on the planet.

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/lowesrussianchinesesigns07mar09.shtmls

I personally have been to a Lowe's in my area and every thing is bi, multi lingual . I will never set foot in Lowes again

:patriot: :patriot:

The rabbit hole on subjects like this goes very deep. And most are lost or deceived along the way.
Here,s something along the way, for what reason are we {USA} catering to every nation on the planet.

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/lowesrussianchinesesigns07mar09.shtmls

I personally have been to a Lowe's in my area and every thing is bi, multi lingual . I will never set foot in Lowes again

:patriot: :patriot:

Ever been to California??? Everything is Bi or Multi-Lingual. When Congress quits worrying about votes and mandates English as the OFFICIAL language, it will never change.

As far as Russia, who is opening a new base for us since Bagram is closing to help fight the jack-holes in Afganistan. I know, but I'll let you look it up and get educated.

Since the US wants to be Big Brother peacekeeper, we will always be in this situation. The money flows, we are always welcome. Bagram is the exception, money didn't work in that region, they just wanted us out.

Back to Chinese and Russians, until lazy Americans will work for minium wage, you will always have an influx of foreign workers willing to work for pennies.

Rage , I totally agree with you. Buts ,its not just one issue. Why did congress pass laws that rewarded company's to export their factories to China and Mexico, may be if this jobs were still in America, the economy wouldn't be in the toilet etc GM , Banks etc, etc.
I see it as a total but disguised assault on the American people.

I won't put the links in now, but here the latest

1. Full access to the USA by Mexican trucking companies
2. congress wants anyone WITH health benefits to be taxed on those benefits
3.H.R. 699 attacks mining and specially small time miners
4. Some A$$ holes in congress what GPS in all vehicles so they can tax you per mile that you drive.

These are full scale assaults on our way of life and the industries that built this great country.
The rabbit hole goes very deep my friend
:patriot:

http://www.bagram.afcent.af.mil/

Rage , I totally agree with you. Buts ,its not just one issue. Why did congress pass laws that rewarded company's to export their factories to China and Mexico, may be if this jobs were still in America, the economy wouldn't be in the toilet etc GM , Banks etc, etc.
I see it as a total but disguised assault on the American people.

I won't put the links in now, but here the latest

1. Full access to the USA by Mexican trucking companies
2. congress wants anyone WITH health benefits to be taxed on those benefits
3.H.R. 699 attacks mining and specially small time miners
4. Some A$$ holes in congress what GPS in all vehicles so they can tax you per mile that you drive.

These are full scale assaults on our way of life and the industries that built this great country.
The rabbit hole goes very deep my friend
:patriot:

http://www.bagram.afcent.af.mil/

Its all Good! Sorry for the mini rant. To be honest, can't speak about Politics, since I work for the "Man". I just know its all jacked up, and to be fair to Obama, he was dealt a bad plate.
I can speak freely on Military issues, as I have l lived it for the last 23 yrs. I get sensative to some military issues that I know are not true.

Rage:cheers:

In 2008 the US Attorney General Michael Mukasey asked the US Congress to declear war
on Al Quaide.

The French did help us win our independance from England and the American President renamed the French Fry to The Freedom Fry.

Do not take things personal.

Look for different news sources. Fox. CNN, NBC
and

Do not take things personal.



That's F'n funny!:rofl: Funny thing is, I live the military life battling these idiots, you watch it on the news! Stay safe my friend, 100,000 miltary peope are fighting "the make believe terrorist" so you can express your views...freely!

Rage:cheers:

You believe the French? The same country that sells nuclear technology to the last people that need it or should have it. Oh and don't forget the weapons they sell. But if you ask the French about either of those they never happened.

The French are a bunch of F'n white flag waving pansies. The Germans ran through France like s**t through a goose. That is one reason France still has so many old buildings, while other parts of Europe do not, because they didn't put up a fight.

That's F'n funny!:rofl: Funny thing is, I live the military life battling these idiots, you watch it on the news! Stay safe my friend, 100,000 miltary peope are fighting "the make believe terrorist" so you can express your views...freely!

Rage:cheers:

Don't listen to these left wingers...they would belive the sky is Lemans Blue if they were told it is....this is not even worth getting your blood pressure up...like you said while our men & women are giving their lives and others fighting for our country these guys were handed the right to make these off the wall statements.

Rage , no apology nessecary . I get worked up over all the B.S. that I see everyday, its almost non stop.
As for the Al Qaedaians and Talibainees, never meet one, wouldn't know one if I saw one.
But I have many questions that brought these names into home.
1. we all remember G.W.Bush sitting on his *** listening to school children read Dr. Suess, or whatever the f--- it was. The security guy or his assistant come in and whisper in his ear about the plane that hit the first building. WTF---he just sits there like a turd in the pasture waiting for a mushroom to grow. I don't know about you ,but if I'm having dinner and the waiter states that some body just keyed my vette, I'm not going to sit there and finish my #$@%^^& salad. Color me, Gone !!!
2.The gaping hole in the pentagon, some one please show me a photo of some debris . I saw nothing but grass and a gaping hole.
3. the plane that went down in PA. Once again , they show a crater with litter thrown about. WHERE"S THE ---DAM DEBRIS. Please some one show me a photo.
4. Then 45 days after 9/11 The Patriot Act arrives, over 300 pages and voted on in less than 5 minutes with virtually no debate. I can barely read one page in 5 minutes.
5. All the testimonies of the fireman, police,and bystanders that heard explosions in the buildings before they fell.
I think, I smell a Rat.

Wow is it happy hour yet . I got the first round.

:friday: :friday: :friday:


Rage , I'm glad you are watching my back !!!
:patriot: :patriot:

As for the Al Qaedaians and Talibainees, never meet one, wouldn't know one if saw one.

Rage , I'm glad you are watching my back !!!
:patriot: :patriot:

1) I have never seen one either. However, my latest Desert deployment, refueled A-10's pre/post strike. They told me who they were going after, and post strike refueling, weapons gone, confirmed mission sucess. Low and behold, briefings confirmed it along with Al Jazira News (Arabic News Station). So I know for a fact 15 of those clowns are dead.

2) I have everyone's back, regardless of their beliefs, don't discriminate!:cheers:

Let me guess, favorite movie is Capricorn 1

Rage:cheers:

Let me guess, favorite movie is Capricorn 1:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Headed to blockbuster :friday:
Lots of favorites---Matrix 1, comes to mind

I did two tours of duity with the 173 airborne in
Viet Nam. When the 173 airborne jumped into
Northern Iraq I was broken hearted that I did not get to jump with them. It is the thrill of combat boys. It never goes away. For the Viet Nam VET our only victory was servival. I am confident that for the Iraq Vet it will be the same.
Do you really think that a bunch of inbread rag
heads on the lamb in Afganistand attacted New
York?
I am not a liberal. I am a regestered Republican. I do not like the greedy a$$e$ that have taken over the GOP.
Now because of GW and the good old boys we are going to be up to our necks in Dem. crap
for the next 4 years. I am not the one putting
sand in the vasoline.

I did two tours of duity with the 173 airborne in
Viet Nam. When the 173 airborne jumped into
Northern Iraq I was broken hearted that I did not get to jump with them. It is the thrill of combat boys. It never goes away. For the Viet Nam VET our only victory was servival. I am confident that for the Iraq Vet it will be the same.
Do you really think that a bunch of inbread rag
heads on the lamb in Afganistand attacted New
York?
I am not a liberal. I am a regestered Republican. I do not like the greedy a$$e$ that have taken over the GOP.
Now because of GW and the good old boys we are going to be up to our necks in Dem. crap
for the next 4 years. I am not the one putting
sand in the vasoline.

Hey Camo, I don't think you Viet Nam Vets only victory was survival. I think all of you were (great majority) were honorable men and women who served their country galiantly regardless what you or the rest of the country thought about the war. You lost some of the best years of your life, some lost more. Even though some of the citizens of our country did not welcome you back with open arms (I still to this day do not understand that) there are many people that respected, and still do, what you did when you were asked. I myself have the utmost respect for all of you. Those in themselves, in my opinion, are victories well earned.

Thank you very much Bigblock 427.
We took the Corvette up to Kit Carson pass last
Sunday and posted a pic of our FRC on our Gallery. This is at the 8,754 foot elevation.
The Corvette is one of the things that makes life good. I hope you enjoy the pic.

Our familes new baby boy is in the hospital tonight. He picked up a cold that is giving him a hard time of it. He is not quite 3 months old yet so I am alittle worried. The doc. says he is getting better.

The world is my country and doing good is my religion". -Nathanal Paine-

We are at a turning point in history. Building 7 in the World trade center fell on 911 and it wasn`t even hit by an airplane. I don`t know who attacked New York. I don`t think we will ever know the real killers ID.

Our Marines need to be back here in California.
Not conquring a country the size of California.
A country that has never attacted us. Even GW
said Iraq was not part of the 911 attact. So how does he know that? We are searching for the facts of this horrible thing. And not just taking the word of some payed broadcaster.

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Al Qaida has been reporter to be a computer data base for the US supported Mujahideen.

:toilet: :toilet: :toilet: :toilet:

:toilet: :toilet: :toilet: :toilet:

:toilet: :toilet: :toilet: :toilet:

I have a uncontrolled desire to know where you marz06 gain all of your knowledge and understanding of world affairs. One would be lead to believe you have your doctorate in political science. Your inside knowledge of our government dealings and the function of government would have some believing you are given classified information by someone. In your own mind you believe you are the only source of factual,accurate, and indisputable information. I believe there is so much we do not know that we can never intelligently debate these kind of subjects.

The American dream is not going to be destroyed by one current president. God only knows our previous president did everything he could to make it happen,and he was not successful.

Stay the course of the last eight years and we will fail.

Only my opinion,
Hutch

GOD please make it stop
:vomitbuddy: :doh:

I have a uncontrolled desire to know where you marz06 gain all of your knowledge and understanding of world affairs. One would be lead to believe you have your doctorate in political science. Your inside knowledge of our government dealings and the function of government would have some believing you are given classified information by someone. In your own mind you believe you are the only source of factual,accurate, and indisputable information. I believe there is so much we do not know that we can never intelligently debate these kind of subjects.

The American dream is not going to be destroyed by one current president. God only knows our previous president did everything he could to make it happen,and he was not successful.

Stay the course of the last eight years and we will fail.

Only my opinion,
Hutch

Hutch my man. I, as you, just give my opinion to what I read on this subject. I don't profess to know it all. I just relax and regurgitate at what some of you say. You talk about the past eight years. Not everything was Bush's fault. But, I will say a lot of it was his fault. Only because he was a Lib at heart with this spending. But, when the attacks happened...they were not plotted out overnight. They took years to put into place and plan. Who was the Prez then...not Bush. It just irritates me when I read the things that people say about " we will never know who actually attacked us". We all know. Bin Laden admitted to attacking us. The problem is that " some " people in America just do not listen. We were " not at war' with Bin Laden or these maniacs...so say many. But, Bin Laden and his bunch stated over and over they were at war with us. So, you have your beliefs and I have mine.

I don't tell you what to believe and I appreciate you not criticizing me for mine. Are you sure this is not Chappy using your username?

Marz

Don't listen to these left wingers...they would belive the sky is Lemans Blue if they were told it is....this is not even worth getting your blood pressure up...like you said while our men & women are giving their lives and others fighting for our country these guys were handed the right to make these off the wall statements.

GOD please make it stop
:vomitbuddy: :doh:

Jimmy, You never cease to amaze me how you are willing to join in the sarcasm and relish the battle when you are securely running in a pack of people aligned with your way of thinking. Then when there is opposition by more than one to your slanted views you plead god please make it stop. It will not sop Jimmy as it is only beginning.

Did you serve your country in some form of military capacity? Just for your record I did serve my country during a war time. The cause we fought for was supposedly the freedom and democracy for the Viet Nam people. Those people no more cared about us than the people of Iraq do now. We the people of the United States are a cash cow. The soldiers that gave their lives in VietNam and now the ones in Iraq are dying for a useless war that can not be won in the fashion it is being fought. Please enlighten me with your ultimate wisdom on what we have as a country to gain from the war in Iraq. Our military has the ability to turn the sand deserts in those countries to molten glass. Yet we street fight with a rag tag army of terrorists and loose our sons and daughters in the thousands.

It doesn't matter to me which political party you align yourself with. The old style of lying, stealing, self serving politicians has to end. Accountability has to be enforced and penalties have to be put on those who are not conforming to the laws.

So Jimmy have a nice day. We will live to battle another day. God please make it stop you beg.
Not on your life Jimmy.

Hmmmm.... this should get interesting......:duel:

Jimmy, You never cease to amaze me how you are willing to join in the sarcasm and relish the battle when you are securely running in a pack of people aligned with your way of thinking. Then when there is opposition by more than one to your slanted views you plead god please make it stop. It will not sop Jimmy as it is only beginning.

Did you serve your country in some form of military capacity? Just for your record I did serve my country during a war time. The cause we fought for was supposedly the freedom and democracy for the Viet Nam people. Those people no more cared about us than the people of Iraq do now. We the people of the United States are a cash cow. The soldiers that gave their lives in VietNam and now the ones in Iraq are dying for a useless war that can not be won in the fashion it is being fought. Please enlighten me with your ultimate wisdom on what we have as a country to gain from the war in Iraq. Our military has the ability to turn the sand deserts in those countries to molten glass. Yet we street fight with a rag tag army of terrorists and loose our sons and daughters in the thousands.

It doesn't matter to me which political party you align yourself with. The old style of lying, stealing, self serving politicians has to end. Accountability has to be enforced and penalties have to be put on those who are not conforming to the laws.

So Jimmy have a nice day. We will live to battle another day. God please make it stop you beg.
Not on your life Jimmy.

I too served in Vietnam. And it was not a volunteer army back then. And, I was placed there by the Democratic party who was playing with fire back then. The killing of young Americans was then escalated by then President Johnson, another Lib. So now we get innocent Americans killed by people that " we weren't at war with" and we are to take a deaf ear and a blind eye to. I don't think so. If not for the feel good/politically correct crowd we could have just wiped these animals off the face of the earth, but instead this ilk wanted instead to " understand why they did what they did and what we did to provoke them". Clinton was the guy that had been in office and they tried to bomb us on countless occasions. Why didn't he put a stop to the madness. Instead...you blame Bush. That has gotten extremely tiresome and lame. It's time to quit talking and start acting. We need to nuke these places and wipe them clean once and for all. Then we warn these animals that this is what to expect each and every time they decide to act out and kill our citizens.

Is that clear and succinct enough? I hope so.

Marz

marz06, You make yourself very clear and to the point. I will show you respect for your position. There are times I find it difficult to determine the the actual position of a person without knowing there back ground. I hope from this point forward we can better understand each others positions on political issues. :thumbsup3: Hutch

marz06, You make yourself very clear and to the point. I will show you respect for your position. There are times I find it difficult to determine the the actual position of a person without knowing there back ground. I hope from this point forward we can better understand each others positions on political issues. :thumbsup3: Hutch

You got it! :thumbsup3:

Marz

Jimmy, You never cease to amaze me how you are willing to join in the sarcasm and relish the battle when you are securely running in a pack of people aligned with your way of thinking. Then when there is opposition by more than one to your slanted views you plead god please make it stop. It will not sop Jimmy as it is only beginning.

Did you serve your country in some form of military capacity? Just for your record I did serve my country during a war time. The cause we fought for was supposedly the freedom and democracy for the Viet Nam people. Those people no more cared about us than the people of Iraq do now. We the people of the United States are a cash cow. The soldiers that gave their lives in VietNam and now the ones in Iraq are dying for a useless war that can not be won in the fashion it is being fought. Please enlighten me with your ultimate wisdom on what we have as a country to gain from the war in Iraq. Our military has the ability to turn the sand deserts in those countries to molten glass. Yet we street fight with a rag tag army of terrorists and loose our sons and daughters in the thousands.

It doesn't matter to me which political party you align yourself with. The old style of lying, stealing, self serving politicians has to end. Accountability has to be enforced and penalties have to be put on those who are not conforming to the laws.

So Jimmy have a nice day. We will live to battle another day. God please make it stop you beg.
Not on your life Jimmy.

First off my opinion is my own and I could car less who stands for what....Its what I belive in what counts to me. You are spewing a lot of BS...there are many others here including friends that share my opinions and some do not, I unlike you can deal with that just fine.

And yes when it gets "STUPID" I beg for it to stop...to bad if you don't like it....I could care less.....So when you get stuipd I will beg for it to stop......

Do not question or underestimate the love I have for my country, its not a place you want to go with me. I do a lot for my country and the men & women who serve in many ways that me and my family are proud of. I do not feel I have to state it in a public forum to you to justify my patriotism to you or anyone else. If you want to know PM me and I will be happy to let you know what me and my family do to support our men & women.

As for men and women dying for a useless war does not register with me, the death of any service person who dies did not die for nothing, if anything they died for you and me.......I will never honor the people who sacrifice their lives by saying they died for nothing because they didn't. If thats how you feel, then I feel sorry for you.

No I did not serve in the military but I do serve my country everyday by supporting my troops with more than a sticker and paying my taxes....You served in the Military and I respect that...but does not put you above anyone else and you are no more an American than me.

Yes, you are right...I do not like the current administration and never will....sorry I don't support your liberal money spending socialist ways, but that is my right.

Jimmy P. I like your vert. you should post more pics to your Gellery.

The filtered news cast reported by guys in $5,000 suits and good looking broads is rediculous. I want to belive in our country just like you do, but when Opium Products are smuggled into our country in body bags mixed in with our fallen troops I
say enuogh. It is time to question the statis quo.

You have never been in combat zone
so consider yourself lucky. Back in the day there was the draft and you would have seen combat, unless ofcourse your father was rich.
No congress person lost their son or dougther during the Viet Nam conflect. Pres. Johnson was an SOB.

If you never ? the status quo then you are :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep:

Jimmy P. I like your vert. you should post more pics to your Gellery.

The filtered news cast reported by guys in $5,000 suits and good looking broads is rediculous. I want to belive in our country just like you do, but when Opium Products are smuggled into our country in body bags mixed in with our fallen troops I
say enuogh. It is time to question the statis quo.

You have never been in combat zone
so consider yourself lucky. Back in the day there was the draft and you would have seen combat, unless ofcourse your father was rich.
No congress person lost their son or dougther during the Viet Nam conflect. Pres. Johnson was an SOB.

If you never ? the status quo then you are :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep:

To tell you the truth I really don't follow your post. And no I didn't come from a rich family, quite the opposite. I was to young for the draft and had I been called I would have gone with the rest.

If I am reading your post wrong then I apologize but I am not sure what drugs and the news cast has to do with how I suport my country and the men & women who serve it. The last thing I want to hear is another service person losing their life, it makes me sick. I have friends and family serving now and my Grandfather served in WWII in Germany, Italy and Spain.

I want our troops to come home, however I will not turn my back on the the men & women there fighting nor will I say we are wasting our time while our people are dying. I have 3 children and if I were in a position to lose a child in war I couldn't bear to have our own people say it was for nothing.

So I do not care if you want to judge me for not being in the military or in combat....that has ZERO to do with what I do and would do for my country and how much of an American I am....Like I said you are no more an American than I or anyone else who loves their country.

I have talked to hundreds of vets of past and present wars and understand the good things that have been done. Most every service person I have spoken to who have been or on their way overseas are so proud of their service and what they have done in Afganastan and Iraq.

If you dont want to be judged...then do not judge others who you do not know. Not many here know what an individual does to support their own. Spouting BS and knocking others is a pretty sad way to try and convince people of why they are wrong and you are right.

I am sorry if it seams as though I am putting you down. Raising a family is the most brave thing a man
and woman can do and far exceeds
the combat expierence.

I am ? the reason for this current war. I ? the government and news
accounts of 911.


For the record I am against war. I want all the troops to come home alive and well.

We believe their is a better way to
live without the monitary system.

Intelligent disign for the future is our
goal.

http://vidoplay?docid=3932487043163636261

I am sorry if it seams as though I am putting you down. Raising a family is the most brave thing a man
and woman can do and far exceeds
the combat expierence.

I am ? the reason for this current war. I ? the government and news
accounts of 911.


For the record I am against war. I want all the troops to come home alive and well.

We believe their is a better way to
live without the monitary system.

Intelligent disign for the future is our
goal.

http://vidoplay?docid=3932487043163636261


There is a reason I do not usually get involved with political conversation... Guys like you and Harbor Master will judge anyone who does not agree with your opinion and will freely disrespect a person they do not even know..talk about being ill informed since you know nothing of me, thats just as bad and the BS the media puts out there IMO.

There is nothing wrong with people who have diffrent opinions...I can respect that people belive diffrent things, and its great we can voice those opinions, however, attacking someone who does not agree with your opinion and putting them down is down right ignorant.

First, if you would read my post I never said I was for the war one way or another. What I am for are the men & women in uniform. And while they are there serving and dying I will support what they do until they come home...PERIOD.

If you would write in clear sentences and I didn't have to guess what it is you are trying to say I may be ableto better understand if you are trying to make a point, but I do not get what you are trying to say.

Raising a family is a tough job and I am doing my part to raise well rounded and respecful children, but I am also teaching them to respect the opinions of others and stand strong for what they belive in.....whatever that is.

I usually try not to get personal about my opinions and beliefs, but I have to tell you from the bottom of my heart and only my opinion. But, if you believe George Bush brought down the World Trade Centers then you are a mindless moron. I get so tired of these people with a 2nd grade education spouting this stuff. As I said...just my opinion. I will tell you why I feel this way and I have stated this in the past:

1. George Bush did not have time to get this done. There was a Liberal House and Senate seated. They had time to do it if you want to blame the government for it. They had ample time to plan and execute this, but they didn't.

2. George Bush isn't smart enough to plan something like this. You people give this idiot way too much credit.

3. Bin Laden took responsibility for the attack. Even the liberal news stations carried his admission and pride in what they had accomplished.

Quit reading and listening to ONE side of the story. I listen and read ALL sides to this and you just can't make the argument that Bush killed his own people. Good Lord please stop the conspiracy theories already. This is not even laughable. Go to a radical Islamic country and tell them you are an American and then insult their leader and see what happens to you. I guarantee you won't be on Smokinvette.com criticizing your President and country. I don't mean to insult anyone, but don't you insult our opinions and beliefs by telling me that GW planned this and executed this.

JMO.....Marz

"The world is my country and doing good is my religion" was said by Thomas Paine not Nathanel Paine.

"The world is my country and doing good is my religion" was said by Thomas Paine not Nathanel Paine.

Problem is that most of your world is against you and their religion is trying to kill you. You being the "Infidel" in their eyes. They think that is doing good. I used to think the world was my oyster until I ended up in the hospital after eating a bad batch. At least eating the oyster was my choice and not rammed down my throat.

Marz

:cheers:
What has happened to this thread? We have people :vomitbuddy: in the streets, and others are :toilet: the rest away.
Lets get back to the issue of the Al Qaedaians and Talibainees. If I remember correctly all of the supposed hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. What did they do, join a gang ? I guess instead of wearing their favorite colors they chose a towel in stead. Maybe that's it ,just gang members out kicking it.
Also something else I remember, the next day when all air traffic was grounded, there was a certain fight that was able to leave NY.
Does any body remember who was on board ?

Any body remember the golfer who's Lear Jet strayed off of the scheduled flight path and was intercepted with in minutes by F-16's ? :cheers:

Just waiting for Happy Hour :thumbsup3:

I don`t mind being called stupid, mindless moron and other such names. I will use mindless moron on the boss one of these days. I liked that one, however being called names and people taking insult, because I quote a French Intell officer is not a productive discussion.
One more time building 7 fell in a demolition type mannor and was not even hit by an airplaine. The Taliban
got rid of the poppy fields. Since the US has taken over.
"Todays opium production an US controlled Afghanistand now provides 90% of the worlds heroin,
breaking new production records nearly every year. Source: Washington Post."Afghanistan Opium crop sets record" & UNODC
report "the opium economy in Afghanistan". All of this is the dirrect
result of 911. This does not even go into the looting of Afghanistands
Urainumn deposits.

"The world is my country and doing good is my religion" was said by Thomas Paine not Nathanel Paine.

The world is not my country....not even close. The quote from a Brit for around 1800 does not apply today....I am an American and the USA is my country...nowhere else..period.

I don`t mind being called stupid, mindless moron and other such names. I will use mindless moron on the boss one of these days. I liked that one, however being called names and people taking insult, because I quote a French Intell officer is not a productive discussion.
One more time building 7 fell in a demolition type mannor and was not even hit by an airplaine. The Taliban
got rid of the poppy fields. Since the US has taken over.
"Todays opium production an US controlled Afghanistand now provides 90% of the worlds heroin,
breaking new production records nearly every year. Source: Washington Post."Afghanistan Opium crop sets record" & UNODC
report "the opium economy in Afghanistan". All of this is the dirrect
result of 911. This does not even go into the looting of Afghanistands
Urainumn deposits.

Yes, and who is buying all this heroin? The same guys that want to legalize pot and every other dug they can think of. These drugs can't get into the country if NO ONE USES THEM. It's quite a simple concept. No demand...no distribution.

I just wish building 7 had fallen on the mindless morons that scatter all these conspiracy theories. Tell your boss about this theory and see if he doesn't look at you like you are a mindless moron.

My apologies go out to the sober mindless morons in the world that are attempting to clean themselves up after thinking such ludicrous thoughts in the past. You guys ought to be embarrassed just thinking these things, much less, put it all down on the internet for the world to read.

And one last thing...quoting the French? Puuuuhhhhlleeeeze! Taking advice from people who don't even know they have body odor is just....well...stupid.

Marz

Your so brain washed you have probably never had an original thought. Go stick your head in the toilet and flush it a few times and then you might start seeing things clear. Mindless Moron

Your so brain washed you have probably never had an original thought. Go stick your head in the toilet and flush it a few times and then you might start seeing things clear. Mindless Moron

Ah, as usual, you don't like it you attack. At least I can have a cognitive thought and can actually spell Mindless Moron. Most of your rants lack any structure and it must be mighty lonely in that world you live in. I guess you can't have posts without typo after typo and the dribble you spew when you have a vacuum sitting on your shoulders and no way for a rational thought to get out. Why don't you go do something for your country and not just take from it. Go work as a volunteer at an Army hospital and keep yourself busy because with all of this nonsense you speak it is obvious you have way too much time on your hands.

Marz...American and PROUD of it.

Ah, as usual, you don't like it you attack. At least I can have a cognitive thought and can actually spell Mindless Moron. Most of your rants lack any structure and it must be mighty lonely in that world you live in. I guess you can't have posts without typo after typo and the dribble you spew when you have a vacuum sitting on your shoulders and no way for a rational thought to get out. Why don't you go do something for your country and not just take from it. Go work as a volunteer at an Army hospital and keep yourself busy because with all of this nonsense you speak it is obvious you have way too much time on your hands.

Marz...American and PROUD of it.

:rofl: Can you dribble and spew at the same time..? I was thinking more like dribbling and drooling.............

:rofl: Can you dribble and spew at the same time..? I was thinking more like dribbling and drooling.............

Good one! :rofl: :rofl:

Marz

....One more time building 7 fell in a demolition type mannor and was not even hit by an airplaine. The Taliban
got rid of the poppy fields. Since the US has taken over.
"Todays opium production an US controlled Afghanistand now provides 90% of the worlds heroin,
breaking new production records nearly every year. Source: Washington Post."Afghanistan Opium crop sets record" & UNODC
report "the opium economy in Afghanistan". All of this is the dirrect
result of 911. This does not even go into the looting of Afghanistands
Urainumn deposits.

Let's see, building 7 fell in a "demolition type manner"...I'm not an architect or demolitions expert by any stretch of the imagination, BUT... Two 110 story buildings (1,300+ ft to the top floor) fell down in a relatively small area, it seems to me that might produce quite a bit of rubble. Since said rubble couldn't possibly fit in the same area the fallen buildings occupied I'm going to guess that it had to go somewhere else. So, wouldn't this affect the surrounding buildings? I mean there was only 4,300,000 sq ft of floor space in each of the two buildings. Thats quite a bit of concrete and steel. Let's attempt some common sense and logic before we start up with conspiracy theories.

Opium fields and production AFTER we went over there. Last time I checked we, that would be the military of which I am currently a very proud member, went over there to attempt to eliminate the terrorists. We are not the DEA. If there was a terrorist camp inside of an opium poppy field, we would lay it to waste. When we find an opium poppy field, we report it.

Jimmy P. and Marz, as I have stated several times previously, unfortunately these kind of people can't be reasoned with. It is either their way or the highway. If your opinion differs from theirs, they attack you. Unlike those of us who recognize that others will have a differing opinion from our own, accept it and respect it. Life goes on.

Jimmy P. you don't have to serve in the military to be considered an American. From what I've seen of your actions and read from your posts, you are more than qualified.

ps....Jimmy P., you are on my short list for pretty much any job you want when I run for President.

Let's see, building 7 fell in a "demolition type manner"...I'm not an architect or demolitions expert by any stretch of the imagination, BUT... Two 110 story buildings (1,300+ ft to the top floor) fell down in a relatively small area, it seems to me that might produce quite a bit of rubble. Since said rubble couldn't possibly fit in the same area the fallen buildings occupied I'm going to guess that it had to go somewhere else. So, wouldn't this affect the surrounding buildings? I mean there was only 4,300,000 sq ft of floor space in each of the two buildings. Thats quite a bit of concrete and steel. Let's attempt some common sense and logic before we start up with conspiracy theories.

Opium fields and production AFTER we went over there. Last time I checked we, that would be the military of which I am currently a very proud member, went over there to attempt to eliminate the terrorists. We are not the DEA. If there was a terrorist camp inside of an opium poppy field, we would lay it to waste. When we find an opium poppy field, we report it.

Jimmy P. and Marz, as I have stated several times previously, unfortunately these kind of people can't be reasoned with. It is either their way or the highway. If your opinion differs from theirs, they attack you. Unlike those of us who recognize that others will have a differing opinion from our own, accept it and respect it. Life goes on.

Jimmy P. you don't have to serve in the military to be considered an American. From what I've seen of your actions and read from your posts, you are more than qualified.

ps....Jimmy P., you are on my short list for pretty much any job you want when I run for President.

Giblets...I would proudly serve under you in your administration. I would like to put in a request to open a new branch in your cabinet. Office of the preservation for God & Country :cheers:

When are you guys going to see the facts?
Will it take people fighting in the streets with sticks over road kill to make you understand that the current corse Humanity is on is all wrong.

When I was going back to Viet Nam for another
six months people would say what are you man some kind of war junkie. They just didn`t understand that I was going back, because I was very good at my job and I wanted to help as many of my brothers in arms go back to their family a live, as I could help. In the process I almost died.

I am not 21 anymore and I see the world in a whole different way. I see it through the wind shield of a Corvette. I love the country I see.

Since 911 something called the pariot act did
take away liberty. The US did invade two
countries. Iraq never did anything to the US.
You are about to lose you gun rights. B.O.
says, they are now fighting crime on the internet. And you guys think everything is hunky
dorray. Ma Bell is spying on us, under the protection of the feds. More money is owed to the banks, than their is money and the tax payers gave the banks 1 trillion $ more, just, cause the banks say they need more money.
God love us all and the babies too.

Kenny

There was over 1250 hits on this post when we shut it down in March. Lots of info was lost making the playing field level for you fellers who think that some inbred rag head on the lam in Afghanistan attacked the twin towers, in New York. Even little old ladies know it was an inside job.

The government was not directly involved, because, if, a card carrying government agent was caught the ramification would be staggering.

There was over 1250 hits on this post when we shut it down in March. Lots of info was lost making the playing field level for you fellers who think that some inbred rag head on the lam in Afghanistan attacked the twin towers, in New York. Even little old ladies know it was an inside job.

The government was not directly involved, because, if, a card carrying government agent was caught the ramification would be staggering.

Good way to get this going:smilielol5: So let me get this straight, you dont think Binladen had anything to do with the Twin Towers....he just took credit for it?

Tens of Millions of people in the US want an independent investigation into nine eleven. Billions
world wide, want an independent investigation. This single event has effected more people wide than anything in my lifetime. Thousands of engineers wanted to test the wreckage that was the Twin Towers. The site was cleaned up with great hast. The steel was sold to China for scrape. The seen of the crime was not throughly investigated.
Certain people and Islam have become demonized by the propaganda machine.

Tens of Millions of people in the US want an independent investigation into nine eleven. Billions
world wide, want an independent investigation. This single event has effected more people wide than anything in my lifetime. Thousands of engineers wanted to test the wreckage that was the Twin Towers. The site was cleaned up with great hast. The steel was sold to China for scrape. The seen of the crime was not throughly investigated.
Certain people and Islam have become demonized by the propaganda machine.

Cammo....but you didnt answer my question...you do know a ship US navy ship USS NEW YORK was made from the twin towers steel. Also New York is my home town and I will tell you everyone wanted that cleaned up as fast as possible. Nobody wanted to see the wreckage and be reminded of how hard we were hit. I have friends & family who worked there and all the people I talked to about it all wanted it cleaned up.

Then I have been given some wrong info about the steel. Never been to New York and I am very sure I do not ever want to go to New York. If this Ben L. guy really exist, why isn`t he in irons. Steal a Billion dollar and run and you will be found. Blow
up the Twin towers and old Ben gets away Scot
free. There is something very wrong with this pic.

Tens of Millions of people in the US want an independent investigation into nine eleven. Billions
world wide, want an independent investigation. This single event has effected more people wide than anything in my lifetime. Thousands of engineers wanted to test the wreckage that was the Twin Towers. The site was cleaned up with great hast. The steel was sold to China for scrape. The seen of the crime was not throughly investigated.
Certain people and Islam have become demonized by the propaganda machine.

To what end? what's the end game for an investigation into 9/11?

Explain to me how you are going to get the government to investigate itself and then tell itself it did a bad thing and send itself to jail?

Just give up on this 9/11 truth crap it'll rot your brain.

Then I have been given some wrong info about the steel. Never been to New York and I am very sure I do not ever want to go to New York. If this Ben L. guy really exist, why isn`t he in irons. Steal a Billion dollar and run and you will be found. Blow
up the Twin towers and old Ben gets away Scot
free. There is something very wrong with this pic.

Cammo you must be a riot....love to hear who you think killed Kennedy...of did JFK really ever exist? Do you think the moon landing was a setup, bet you did:rofl: How about Jesus...would pay to get that out of you.....all in good fun cammo...

I am tired of this Al Qaida post. The truth will never come out. I like to get you guys all worked up. The USS New York must have been made in China. This wild azz job I have been doing is a riot.
I am looking at the world through the wind shield of a Corvette and do not have a lot to complain about
My 6 month old Grandson is fat and happy and I am praying that the bastards do not blow everything up, before he has his chance at life and love.

To what end? what's the end game for an investigation into 9/11?

Explain to me how you are going to get the government to investigate itself and then tell itself it did a bad thing and send itself to jail?


Mono did you ever get your photo shoot done ?

Its not so much the government as it is certain people in the government.
End game----- arrests, prison and execution of the traitors



Cammo you must be a riot....love to hear who you think killed Kennedy...of did JFK really ever exist?

my money's on the limo driver. A lefty who reaches over his right shoulder. Who authorized it ?...The mob :smilielol5: the vatican:smilielol5: oswald:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As for the moon, this was a headline the other day...
"Japanese Orbiter Finds No Evidence Apollo Missions Landed On Moon" :smilielol5: :smilielol5;
Oh wait wasn't on CNN or Abc must not be true:smilielol5: :smilielol5:

Mono did you ever get your photo shoot done ?

Its not so much the government as it is certain people in the government.
End game----- arrests, prison and execution of the traitors



my money's on the limo driver. A lefty who reaches over his right shoulder. Who authorized it ?...The mob :smilielol5: the vatican:smilielol5: oswald:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As for the moon, this was a headline the other day...
"Japanese Orbiter Finds No Evidence Apollo Missions Landed On Moon" :smilielol5: :smilielol5;
Oh wait wasn't on CNN or Abc must not be true:smilielol5: :smilielol5:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ownedbutton:

:iagree: :iagree:
:2ni19wj:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I am tired of this Al Qaida post. The truth will never come out. I like to get you guys all worked up. The USS New York must have been made in China. This wild azz job I have been doing is a riot.
I am looking at the world through the wind shield of a Corvette and do not have a lot to complain about
My 6 month old Grandson is fat and happy and I am praying that the bastards do not blow everything up, before he has his chance at life and love.

camo....what is great is we can actually have this discussion without everyone getting upset. Your have the right to voice what you believe to be true....and then we have the right to correct you....LMAO:catfight:

http://www.voltairenet.org/article160100.html

You guys are going to bite off more than you can
chew.

Excellent link, Camo :thumbsup:

I have always thought Sibel Edmonds was a true patriot.

http://123realchange.blogspot.com/


Pilots...
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

Architects & Engineers ........

http://www3.ae911truth.org/


Lets not leave out...
http://www.debunking911.com/index.html


http://www.debunking911.com/wtc-southtower.jpg

Mono did you ever get your photo shoot done ?


Negative. I was going to, but we had a lot of projects come in at work and I have been working 14 hr days. in fact I am at work now. Waiting on some vendors.

I was going to have the car detailed professionally for the first time also. 300 bucks for everything. interior and exterior. Then my time went to couple hours to zero. :(

I have been lookingt at this pic of the Pentagon
and I can not see the airoplane wreckage. Where is it? Could this have been a rocket attack?:givemebeer.sml:

Have you ever seen the crash site of an airliner...In PA you couldnt even much more than a hole. There were also eyewitnesses to the pantagon crash..citizens by the way. Do you think the towers were rockets to...come on camo

I have been lookingt at this pic of the Pentagon
and I can not see the airoplane wreckage. Where is it? Could this have been a rocket attack?:givemebeer.sml:

Have you ever seen the crash site of an airliner...In PA you couldnt even much more than a hole. There were also eyewitnesses to the pantagon crash..citizens by the way. Do you think the towers were rockets to...come on camo

Did 911 really happen.....:wtf:

Negative. I was going to, but we had a lot of projects come in at work and I have been working 14 hr days. in fact I am at work now. Waiting on some vendors.

I was going to have the car detailed professionally for the first time also. 300 bucks for everything. interior and exterior. Then my time went to couple hours to zero. :(

Sorry to hear that, I was looking forward to it.

On 911, my biggest issue---The Pentagone and the Pa crash site. No airplane wreckage.There has to be at least one photo of an engine or something. Atomic posted awhile ago about a crash. He had a photo of the wreckage, granted it did'nt crash head on into a building, but it did'nt disappear either.

Nine eleven did happen and the American people have been paying for it with the live of our children
and lost liberty. There is no draft so the FBI is not
dragging teens off to fight in a war against a nation that that did not attack us. Even GW admitted that Iraq did not attack us.:coffeetime:

Nine eleven did happen and the American people have been paying for it with the live of our children
and lost liberty. There is no draft so the FBI is not
dragging teens off to fight in a war against a nation that that did not attack us. Even GW admitted that Iraq did not attack us.:coffeetime:

I do agree with that...Iraq did not attack us. That I do trust that to be true. However, I do not believe it was a conspiracy within the US government.

No American President has been so stupid that he would send American troops into a country knowing there are or were WMD`s. The facts have been very distorted and now America wants to know the
facts. The powers that be have many different
explanations for the truth, that they want us believe. In an open democracy secret groups that attempt to control the country through covert
actions are despicable.

The search for truth continues.
another whistleblower risks all

http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html

Voltaire Network: What are your suspicions based on?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: There were many things, in hindsight, that were disturbing at Ground Zero. It was odd to me that I was dispatched to go to New York even before the second plane hit the South Tower, while the media was still reporting only that a “small plane” had collided with the North Tower — far too small of a catastrophe at that point to involve FEMA . FEMA was mobilized within minutes, whereas it took ten days for it to deploy to New Orleans to respond to Hurricane Katrina, even with abundant advance warning! It was odd to me that all cameras were so fiercely prohibited within the secured perimeter of Ground Zero, that the entire area was declared a crime scene and yet the “evidence” within that crime scene was so rapidly removed and destroyed. And then it was very odd to me when I learned that FEMA and several other federal agencies had already moved into position at their command center at Pier 92 on September 10th, one day before the attacks!


Thanks for the link Camo :patriot: :patriot:

Kurt Sonnenfeld will be found dead some day in a car accident or plain crash or some other strange
freak accident. The powers that control everything are more powerful than this entire nation of ours.

If it is true that all the police in America will be nationalized in September, then we will be in deep
barf.

The war in Iraq is still going on, because there is still lots of money to be made. If there was not lots of money left to be made then the war would be over. Meanwhile here in the US money is still scarce. Banks have figured out new ways to pay themselves huge amounts of money and
it is all being done under revenge for the nine eleven event and the banner of a bad economy.
:flasher:

Camo