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: Traction control issues


cheftl5330
01-03-2009, 07:45 AM
While crusing at 85-90 MPH the Traction control comes on and wants to slow the car drasticly. I turn it off at that moment and all is fine. It is 1998 with 82,000 miles on it. Since mine has only on or off and no selection , what could be the problem. Thanks in advance for the info.:doh:

revenge98
01-03-2009, 02:35 PM
Well I would have to say that the sensor is bad, that is the first time that I have heard of that happening.

camolightning
01-03-2009, 06:06 PM
Around here we can drive our Corvettes all year.
In the northern aspect and in the deep canyon we encounter ice. During the winter I turn the traction action handling off. Engaging the limited slip full time gives me better control in surprise situations. Traction control can bog down. At high speeds I turn off traction control, because I don`t want anything other than me in control of the car. In the mud limited slip makes us a
mud slinging bad ***. We can go places that a two wheel drive trucks will get stuck.

Junkman2008
01-03-2009, 06:30 PM
Under no circumstances would I be turning off the traction control given your situation. Since you can duplicate the problem every time, there is obviously an issue. By turning T/C off, you could be setting yourself up for a catastrophic wreck. I would take the wheels off and thoroughly inspect the T/C sensors as well as the front and rear suspension.

Personally, I can think of no situation that would warrant turning T/C off unless I was doing supervised DPE and was instructed to do so by the instructor. I think some folks have more confidence in their driving ability than experience and this is exactly why so many Vettes end up in ditches, curbs and trees.

BLU COLLAR Z
01-03-2009, 10:19 PM
While crusing at 85-90 MPH the Traction control comes on and wants to slow the car drasticly. I turn it off at that moment and all is fine. It is 1998 with 82,000 miles on it. Since mine has only on or off and no selection , what could be the problem. Thanks in advance for the info.:doh:I would check your grounds first

revenge98
01-04-2009, 06:59 AM
I agree with Junkman, don't be turning off your TC, maybe unless you were doing donuts in an empty parking lot.:thumbsup3:

camolightning
01-04-2009, 07:44 AM
Last year while in traction control I slid on the ice into a concrete wall and scuffed up about a
square inch of my bumper. These are vary tough cars and I prefer to drive in icy areas without
traction control. I don`t pretend to be more knowledgeable than junk man, however this is a personal choice.

Airborne death from above.

Slicktop
01-04-2009, 08:13 AM
First, the original poster with the traction control problem lives in Florida so I do not think ice and snow are relevent to a discussion of his problem. If he is having problems with the traction control he should turn it off and leave it off until it is inspected and fixed. Anything that drags the car down from 85-90 mph while cruizing is dangerous and must be fixed or disengaged. Second, I have some experience with snow and ice and anything that inputs the cars handling under icy conditions is dangerous. Reason is the icy condition will/can happen so fast that the traction control can not keep up with what is happening and over corrections will result as the road surface changes from good to ice to back to good under black ice conditions. Therefore, I suggest that is best to turn off traction control under such circumstances. Also, do not use cruize control on icy roads. Reason being that the cruize control will try to maintain speed if the car starts loosing traction by increasing power to the rear wheels which can result in an almost instant spinout. I learned that the hard way:doh:

BLU COLLAR Z
01-04-2009, 11:45 AM
Back to the ops problem, This can be one of three things again (1)check your grounds (2) if its not the grounds but i bet it is, you might have to send your ABS modules off to brandon @www.ABSFixer.com and have them rebuilt or (3)it could be wheel sensors, have them checked good luck

camolightning
01-04-2009, 03:16 PM
Wet roads can cause trouble for the traction control. It is probably a mechanical problem.
Their was a space shuttle that crashed because of icing problems in Florida.

BlazingC5
01-04-2009, 03:39 PM
Are any codes being thrown that might provide information about a bad sensor?

DewRonInc
01-04-2009, 04:08 PM
It has a TCM, does it throw a code when this happens? I cut my traction control off myself, but i like to power slide.....

BLU COLLAR Z
01-04-2009, 05:05 PM
It has a TCM, does it throw a code when this happens? I cut my traction control off myself, but i like to power slide.....:rofl: :rofl: Be careful out there bro:thumbsup3:

Junkman2008
01-04-2009, 07:00 PM
I think the suggestion to turn the T/C off in inclement weather shows a misunderstanding of just how complex the system is. To think that we as humans can react faster than the computer controlled system shows a misunderstanding of a few factors.

First off, the system never gets startled when the car does something unexpected. The system is constantly sampling the trajectory of the car and knows the last controlled direction of travel of the car. Not only is T/C going to help maintain this direction, but is also going to reduce the speed of the vehicle so that the driver can safely maneuver out of a given situation. To think that a human is going to be able to do this faster and more controlled than the computer shows a misunderstanding of the complexity involved in how the car initiates T/C.

That one element, adrenaline rush, is the one component that the car has over the driver. The computer is programmed to react in an exact way, and it will react this way 1000 out of 1000 times if the system is working properly. On the other hand, there's no telling what the driver might do. It is this unknown variable that is the cause of so many accidents that could have been avoided or significantly reduced had the driver been using T/C.

I can't find it but there is an outstanding write up on the complexity of the whole TC/AH system. It really went into the nitty gritty of the entire system. I found it to be a very educational and intriguing read. :thumbsup3:

freakshow
01-05-2009, 06:18 AM
You're right on again Junkman!:thumbsup3:

BlazingC5
01-05-2009, 06:40 AM
very interesting insight. thanks Junkman.

Danzo1
01-05-2009, 07:05 AM
Who bought a vette to be a Mud slinging Bad ***??:rofl: I dont even drive mine in the rain nonetheless a mud course/road!:burnout:

BLU COLLAR Z
01-06-2009, 11:23 PM
It has a TCM, does it throw a code when this happens? I cut my traction control off myself, but i like to power slide.....
http://vettetube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=e4ae3024973f12f3cb31

Junkman2008
01-07-2009, 01:13 AM
http://vettetube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=e4ae3024973f12f3cb31

:lol:

Exactly! If you pay attention, you'll notice that he was still on the gas as the car began to loose it. TC/AH would have practically locked up the passenger's side brakes while killing engine power because the car would have realized that the rear tires were spinning faster than they were propelling the car. That would have caused the warning message to be sent to the computer and thus yanking the nose of the car back straight. I've done this numerous times while goofing off going around corners so I know the car's reaction very well. Another thing that people forget about is Newton's law of energy. Because the driver applied the brakes hard and too late, his momentum had already decided his trajectory. Add to that his tires and the street being cold and you have put together the recipie for dumbass of the week. What an idiot.

Great post Blu. This should help wake up a lot of people out there who think that their reaction time is faster than the car's.

NOT!

BLU COLLAR Z
01-07-2009, 01:42 AM
:lol:

Exactly! If you pay attention, you'll notice that he was still on the gas as the car began to loose it. TC/AH would have practically locked up the passenger's side brakes while killing engine power because the car would have realized that the rear tires were spinning faster than they were propelling the car. That would have caused the warning message to be sent to the computer and thus yanking the nose of the car back straight. I've done this numerous times while goofing off going around corners so I know the car's reaction very well. Another thing that people forget about is Newton's law of energy. Because the driver applied the brakes hard and too late, his momentum had already decided his trajectory. Add to that his tires and the street being cold and you have put together the recipie for dumbass of the week. What an idiot.

Great post Blu. This should help wake up a lot of people out there who think that their reaction time is faster than the car's.

NOT!
I thought you would enjoy this , sometimes a video is worth a thousand words