: Supercharging or TT a 7.0 Liter Z06?
2007 7.0Liter 11-01-2007, 09:28 AM I have a 2007 Z06 7.0 Liter and was thinking about adding a TT or Supercharger and was curious what others experience has been. I mean its a very powerful car already and plenty powerful for me. Just more for you know "its there" power, or street bragging. Saying Z06 is bad a$$ to begin with, saying supercharged or Twin turbo Z06 is even more bad a$$. I know I'm a jerk, ha ha ha everyone has there reasons. But any way would appreciate feedback.
Ed @ Late Model Speed 11-01-2007, 12:26 PM I have a 2007 Z06 7.0 Liter and was thinking about adding a TT or Supercharger and was curious what others experience has been. I mean its a very powerful car already and plenty powerful for me. Just more for you know "its there" power, or street bragging. Saying Z06 is bad a$$ to begin with, saying supercharged or Twin turbo Z06 is even more bad a$$. I know I'm a jerk, ha ha ha everyone has there reasons. But any way would appreciate feedback.
We have a procharger package for 2006-2007 Z06 Corvette's that you might like 6 PSI of boost, so it's still safe on your engine,
625RWHP/580RWTQ! and doesn't change the driveability of your ZO6, but when you floor it, it becomes a whole different car!
Feel free to let me know if I can answer any questions,
Ed
jmott 11-01-2007, 12:37 PM Ed,
This setup looks interesting to me. I am a fan of NA/ high compression and easy breathing engines, but mostly because of the added weight from FI systems. How much does this application weigh in its entirety and, how much $ ??
Best Reagrds,
JMott
tom snitzer 11-01-2007, 07:17 PM Ed, for an already fast Z06, how would a cam/intake/head package compare?
For folks who are thinking of using the Z06 for Hpde's and still want more performance on the street, how's that stack up to the procharger set up?
If going with the procharger, in this application is it wise to go with the 8 rib belt bracket? Worth the addl $$?
Z06crave 11-02-2007, 06:49 AM I have a 2007 Z06 7.0 Liter and was thinking about adding a TT or Supercharger and was curious what others experience has been. I mean its a very powerful car already and plenty powerful for me. Just more for you know "its there" power, or street bragging. Saying Z06 is bad a$$ to begin with, saying supercharged or Twin turbo Z06 is even more bad a$$. I know I'm a jerk, ha ha ha everyone has there reasons. But any way would appreciate feedback.
I say go for it 7.0Liter! Its cool to see Z06 owners go nuts with the HP, there is a guy at one of the local meets that has procharger and direct port NOS!!! The car is untouchable!
Ed @ Late Model Speed 11-02-2007, 10:28 AM Ed,
This setup looks interesting to me. I am a fan of NA/ high compression and easy breathing engines, but mostly because of the added weight from FI systems. How much does this application weigh in its entirety and, how much $ ??
Best Reagrds,
JMott
We offer a complete package that uses several iteems to compliment the procharger on a 427 Z06. Kook's headers, & X-pipe w/high flow cats, 160 T-stat, fuel system upgrades, etc. This is the package that was used on the Yellow Z06 I posted above which makes 625 RWHP/580RWTQ and sells for $9,499.00 installed. - check the smokin deals section in the lounge for a special deal only for Smokinvette members!
The complete procharger assembly adds roughly 45 lb to the front of the car, but since we replace the heavy exhaust manifolds with lighter long tube headers, that offsets the weight a little. I would say 40-50 lb of added weight to the front, which could easily be offset in th rear for a road racer. I'll PM you some more details,
Ed
Ed @ Late Model Speed 11-02-2007, 10:44 AM Ed, for an already fast Z06, how would a cam/intake/head package compare?
For folks who are thinking of using the Z06 for Hpde's and still want more performance on the street, how's that stack up to the procharger set up?
If going with the procharger, in this application is it wise to go with the 8 rib belt bracket? Worth the addl $$?
Hi Tom,
There are several good head and cam packages out there, and it seems that roughly 525 RWHP can be had with cam & headers only. If you add porting the heads, you'll get closer to the 550-560RWHP range, but cost-wise, you're starting to get close to the price of the Procharger setup which will make substantially more HP.
The Procharger and a well prepped head and cam 427 Z06 will act very similar on the track, they will both run pretty much like stock untill about 3500 RPM then hit their powerband. The Procharger hits considerably harder though, and will make considerably more power from that point on up to redline.
Depending on the cam used in a head and cam setup, it can be considerably more aggressive at idle and low RPM. As you already know, building a purpose built track car is entirely different than having a fast car that you take to the track once in a while. If you're the latter, then a Procharger would give you ther most enjoyment on the street and track. If you're more serious about the track, and constantly trying to better your lap times, then I think the N/A combination would be better suited, because the power comes on more smoothly, and allows you to focus on running your best line. Remember, on the road course, smooth is always faster:D
As for the 8 rib belt setup, this combination on a 427 C6 Z06 will make 6 psi, which is all I recommend running on this engine unless internal changes are made. At 6 psi belt slip isn't an issue, so upgrading to the 8 rib probably isn't necessary for most people. (Everybody is different and if you routinely run you car at WOT from every light, then your results may vary!!)
Hope this helps,
Ed
2007 7.0Liter 11-03-2007, 08:04 AM We have a procharger package for 2006-2007 Z06 Corvette's that you might like 6 PSI of boost, so it's still safe on your engine,
625RWHP/580RWTQ! and doesn't change the driveability of your ZO6, but when you floor it, it becomes a whole different car!
Feel free to let me know if I can answer any questions,
Ed
Thanks for the info on the supercharger set up, now do you deal in TT? What would you suggest there? Is there a difference in installation cost supercharger vs twin turbo?
Ed @ Late Model Speed 11-05-2007, 10:30 AM Thanks for the info on the supercharger set up, now do you deal in TT? What would you suggest there? Is there a difference in installation cost supercharger vs twin turbo?
Yes, we are also an APS delaer, and are very pleased with their kits. Pricewise, they are a little more expensive than the procharger kit, but need less supporting mods, so total cost gets pretty close to even. The TT kit is a little more complex to install, but nothing crazy.
We could do a comparable APS TT installed package making 6 PSI and approx 625 RWHP for about $2K more than our Procharger setup.
The big difference would be torque, all that low end torque from the twin turbos, combined with the low RPM torque that the 427 already makes is quite a handfull!! Have you ever done a 70 MPH burnout?:D it can get a little intense!
I will put together a similar installed package utilizing the APS TT kit so that you have a direct apples to apples cost comparison.
Ed
tom snitzer 11-05-2007, 11:58 AM Hi Tom,
There are several good head and cam packages out there, and it seems that roughly 525 RWHP can be had with cam & headers only. If you add porting the heads, you'll get closer to the 550-560RWHP range, but cost-wise, you're starting to get close to the price of the Procharger setup which will make substantially more HP.
The Procharger and a well prepped head and cam 427 Z06 will act very similar on the track, they will both run pretty much like stock untill about 3500 RPM then hit their powerband. The Procharger hits considerably harder though, and will make considerably more power from that point on up to redline.
Depending on the cam used in a head and cam setup, it can be considerably more aggressive at idle and low RPM. As you already know, building a purpose built track car is entirely different than having a fast car that you take to the track once in a while. If you're the latter, then a Procharger would give you ther most enjoyment on the street and track. If you're more serious about the track, and constantly trying to better your lap times, then I think the N/A combination would be better suited, because the power comes on more smoothly, and allows you to focus on running your best line. Remember, on the road course, smooth is always faster:D
As for the 8 rib belt setup, this combination on a 427 C6 Z06 will make 6 psi, which is all I recommend running on this engine unless internal changes are made. At 6 psi belt slip isn't an issue, so upgrading to the 8 rib probably isn't necessary for most people. (Everybody is different and if you routinely run you car at WOT from every light, then your results may vary!!)
Hope this helps,
Ed
Thanks for the head's up. Very informative write up!
1SickZ 11-06-2007, 06:48 AM We have a procharger package for 2006-2007 Z06 Corvette's that you might like 6 PSI of boost, so it's still safe on your engine,
625RWHP/580RWTQ! and doesn't change the driveability of your ZO6, but when you floor it, it becomes a whole different car!
Feel free to let me know if I can answer any questions,
Ed
You have any pics of C5 Z install photos? I know with the C5's Vettes there are more FI options is this correct?
Ed @ Late Model Speed 11-06-2007, 07:42 AM You have any pics of C5 Z install photos? I know with the C5's Vettes there are more FI options is this correct?
Yes, there's definately more options for C5, you have Prochargers, Magnuson roots style, KB Roots, and sevral options for Turbo.
Here's a nice shot of a C5 Procharger setup
1SickZ 11-08-2007, 06:15 AM Yes, there's definately more options for C5, you have Prochargers, Magnuson roots style, KB Roots, and sevral options for Turbo.
Here's a nice shot of a C5 Procharger setup
What is the difference between Magnuson and the Kenny Bell? They both are root style? Also what turbo companies are out there (already know of APS)? thanks
2007 7.0Liter 11-14-2007, 10:42 AM What is the difference between Magnuson and the Kenny Bell? They both are root style? Also what turbo companies are out there (already know of APS)? thanks
Both are root style blowers, Magnuson is the only one available for the C6. Kenny Bell is working on one, should be more power when it comes out!
tom snitzer 11-14-2007, 02:53 PM Both are root style blowers, Magnuson is the only one available for the C6. Kenny Bell is working on one, should be more power when it comes out!
The Kenne Bell is a twin screw. It has the ability to make more power than the maggie and in generally twin screws are said produce power more efficiently. Both are good units.
Z06crave 11-14-2007, 04:55 PM The Kenne Bell is a twin screw. It has the ability to make more power than the maggie and in generally twin screws are said produce power more efficiently. Both are good units.
I thought the Maggies where twin screw also?
bfbadwrench 11-26-2007, 07:10 AM I would love to go with a TT set up and max it out!! Just to see what I could get (safely ofcourse) I just love the sound of the TT. On the other side of the coin I do enjoy the sound of a good aggressive H/C set up! Too bad you can't have both!
Ed @ Late Model Speed 11-26-2007, 11:34 AM I would love to go with a TT set up and max it out!! Just to see what I could get (safely ofcourse) I just love the sound of the TT. On the other side of the coin I do enjoy the sound of a good aggressive H/C set up! Too bad you can't have both!
With the right cam and exhaust, youcould have a fairly aggressive sounding car that makes 800+ HP pretty easily!
Ed
cgroxane 11-27-2007, 07:37 AM With the right cam and exhaust, youcould have a fairly aggressive sounding car that makes 800+ HP pretty easily!
Ed
Thats right, didn't you guys over there make one that put down some serious #'s like that? I thought that I read that.
Ed @ Late Model Speed 11-27-2007, 08:42 AM Thats right, didn't you guys over there make one that put down some serious #'s like that? I thought that I read that.
Our Procharger package for 2006-up Z06 Vettes makes around 625 RWHP on an otherwise stock 427 LS7 engine, that's over 700HP at the crank!
We have a 2005 Convertible Twin Turbo in the shop now that makes 750 RWHP and a 2003 Coupe Twin Turbo going together that will make close to 700 RWHP! That's the great thing about boost, you can make whatever power level you want:cheers:
Ed
Z06crave 11-30-2007, 11:44 AM Thanks for the head's up. Very informative write up!
:iagree: Very well said Ed, certainly hit you up next time I have question! Have a good weekend
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